Originally Posted By Futurist In the time since Rocket Rods closed permanantly (Sept 2000) ... I'm sure every single one of Tang's points have been brought up in the halls of the decision makers. But come on...... It's only been 6 long years, now! While we all would prefer a totally brand new Tomorrowland, and a ride that circles the land in the same fashion the Peoplemover did ... it appears the most the co. is going to do is restoration to the '67 "framework". Which is the best the land ever had. Not to mention Disney's re-using existing infrastructures (Country Bear Jamboree>Winnie the Pooh, Circle-Vision>Buzz, '59 Subs> '07 Subs, ETC.) I think the final word was "Either we tear down the whole track and have nothing for quite a long time - if ever!" .. or a new version of the '67 Peoplemover, that can be up fairly soon." So what would you choose Tang? Nothing? Because I'm sure that was the only other option. You know that track is not capable of handling anything beyond the 6mph speed of the '67 Peoplemover. A 40 year old track (30, through the Space Mt. complex). No way! We all have been through this discussion before. The way I see this ...the positives far outway the negatives. I don't think the costs are so astronomical that they would not tend to a duty that is long overdue. And by your estimates ... lets look at the Monorail: Another Tomorrowland transit system that is even older than the Peoplemover .. should have been removed years ago .. and just let people walk or take a smelly propane gas tram. But unlike the Peoplemover that gained no more than a painted stripe in 1987 ... the Monorail has been reinvented with new trains in it's whopping 47 year history .. with a Mark VII design on it's way. If only the Peoplemover had the same fate with multiple new designs throughout the years .... perhaps their would be less cynicism toward this attraction that was lost way before it's time.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>I believe that people today want rides that are faster or laden with more special effects.."<< Nor everyone. The DLRR seems to keep packing them in and those dinosaurs aren't lookin' so good anymore.
Originally Posted By Futurist If it were possible to have some radical different ride circling the land... I beleive it would have been tried by now in Tokyo Disneyland, Disneyland Paris' Discoveryland, and Hong Kong Disneyland. Instead those Tomorrowlands are as mundane as AnyCity Earth of Today .. with a random collection of buildings .. and no UNIQUE transit system TIEING them all together. They all look pretty boring, dull, lackluster, and lack kinetics. Hong Kong Disneyland Tomorrowland is the worst! If there were ideas of something radically advanced over the '67 Peoplemover .. one of those parks would have shown something by now. Hence ..... Lets keep our fingers crossed ... and see what new interesting design they can come up with for DL Anaheim's Tomorrowland. I have a lot of faith ...... and it seems were getting closer and closer to learning new details. And Tang .... you seemed to have repeated numerous times ... an exact duplicate of the '67 design would come back. Where in the heck are you getting such crazy ideas? Have no faith in a new design that could atleast intrigue your senses?
Originally Posted By Futurist wow ... talk about the return of '67 framework: <a href="http://www.mousetimes.com/dlrpictorials/09_29_06/picture" target="_blank">http://www.mousetimes.com/dlrp ictorials/09_29_06/picture</a>%2013828%20(custom).html THAT looks distinctly something that would have come out of Tomorrowland in 1967! More here..... <a href="http://www.mousetimes.com/dlrpictorials/09_29_06/index29.html" target="_blank">http://www.mousetimes.com/dlrp ictorials/09_29_06/index29.html</a>
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I remember how romantic it used to be whenever my Futurist Sweetie and I would ride the People Mover together back in the early 90's-- ORGOCH: --Tagether ain't 'zactly the right word fer it, sister! Yer so big 'n fat they always had ta put ya in a vehicle all by yerself--whilst Futurist had the relieved pleasure a ridin' all by his-self in the car ahead a ya! ORWEN: Look, old biddy!! This is Disney's Year of a Millions Dreams and what I remember from the past is MY dream! So go can just go choke on a bull frog, for all I care!! In the meantime SHUT UP!!! ORDDU: (sigh) I just hope they DO bring back the People Mover again--because I recall many, MANY opportunities it had for, shall we say, a romantic ride where you hide... ORGOCH: Oh, Good Lord!! Now it's the tramp's turn ta ruin this here topic!!
Originally Posted By CMM1 While I am sure one could make a strong case for why Disney shouldn't bring back the PM (refurb expenses, maintenance going forward), does not the chance to offer a high-capacity ride which would appeal to guests of all ages argue for the return of that attraction? Since new and spectacular attractions carry a price tag of hundreds of millions, would not an expenditure of tens of millions make sense if it yielded a high-capacity family ride? I'm sure Disney can come up with a new vehicle concept that might fit in more with the current color and exterior themes of Tomorrowland - so why not bring the PM back? At the end of the day, for all anybody knows outside of the halls of the Disney management castle, they might decide to bring it back "just because" it seems like a nice thing to do.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Did anyone see the Sign for the new store there building underneath the Peoplemover? It looks awsome! The store is called: TomorrowLanding: Gifts from Outer and Liquid Space
Originally Posted By Skellington88 ^ The reason I brought up the store name is because it's very retro and futuristic at the same time. It seems like the New Tomorrowland Disney is building is going to combine elements from the 2 best era's of tomorrowland (the 60s and 80s) and give them a new twist!
Originally Posted By tangaroa >And Tang .... you seemed to have repeated >numerous times ... an exact duplicate of >the '67 design would come back. Where in >the heck are you getting such crazy ideas? My argument was that an exact duplicate of the 1967 PeopleMover could never come back. I included in my argument the opinion that the PeopleMover could come back, if it included some new special effects and Pixar Characters - the same way the Subs and Buzz got approved. That's the only way I see the ride coming back - because with the cartoon character tie-in, the ride will be able to generate more gate clicks and store revenue. A PeopleMover ride with no characters has no chance to generate any revenue - let alone pay for itself. That's why the old one was closed. And if you're asking me if I would like to see another character laden attraction in Disneyland, then the obvious answer is no. >Since new and spectacular attractions >carry a price tag of hundreds of >millions, would not an expenditure of >tens of millions make sense if it >yielded a high-capacity family ride? Not if the tens of millions spent on a new PeopleMover meant that much less for the next big project down the road. I'd rather they spent all the money on a bigger project - something original and new.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster I have seen that TomorrowLanding sign and I was really pleasantly surprised. It is fantastic design and I think a glimpse into what WDI has in store for TL--the Tomorrowland Terrace being another example. I know TL is supposed to be a look at the world of the near future but the whole concept lost its romantic appeal after the space-age era of the 60's when everything was designed to look futuristic from automobiles to toasters to coffee shops. Today's design aesthetics gear much more towards the practical and convenient. We are living in a world that really only cares about today. Why care about the future? It's coming whether we dream about it or not. But if Tomorrowland was themed to the 50's and 60's romantic view of the future I think it would capture the sense of wonder and fantasy about the future that no longer exists today. And maybe it will inspire people to get excited about the future as past generations did. I'm not saying that TL '67 should come back in its entirety. I think the place should be a blend of googie space-age architecture and design and cutting edge technology. Bring back the Peoplemover but in a radically redesigned technologically amazing form utilizing the RR track already in place. Shorten the track a little. Maybe even make the cars themselves smaller. I would love to see a Tomorrowland look like "a world on the move" again.
Originally Posted By tcsnwhite While we do have a different Resort President now, the rumors going around back when Matt Ouimet was president were that he wanted to put into action a 5 year plan for Tomorrowland, which he did. The last item for that plan was the return of a newly designed Peoplemover. That was supposedly to be around 2009. Again, just more rumor, but I remember a lot of people talking about this back when he first got settled in and started making some master planning for the parks.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i had a dream last night that disney was testing the peoplemover again and i got to ride it. what a great dream!
Originally Posted By dr jones Personally, I would love to see a spiffy new rendition of TL67' put in place. When I was a kid there was so much movement and energy in TL, between the glimmering white facades, and the bright colors of the Peoplemover, the Monorail and the Skyway, you were totally drawn to TL. Tommorrowland hasn't been that exciting since. IMO
Originally Posted By tcsnwhite well, we are getting our subs back, and new monorails, so the return of the peoplemover would a great finishing touch. as much as disney diehards want an all-new tomorrowland, I don't think that will happen. the route they're going now is how its going to be done. at least for myself, a new peoplemover would be icing on the cake.
Originally Posted By Big Thunder There was a time that I stood firm that after an attraction or show closes, no matter how much I loved it or missed it, I did NOT think it should be brought back. For the most part, I still feel that way. I was disappointed when they brought back Electrical Parade to DCA, for the record, "DISNEYLAND'S Main Street Electrical Parade " is one of my all time favorite DL shows, I have many fond sentimental memories attached to MSEP, I have pictures of it hanging in my office, I attended "lights out" and bought my commemorative bulb, etc etc, you'd think as a fan that I'd be happy to see it come back? Actually no, I thought it was cheap and shallow, but I did watch it, I took one of my god daughters and explained how I it used to be a fave, I enjoyed watching it, but I lost some of my excitement a few years ago after they dragged it back. I cant explain it. However, after years of thinking about Tomarrowland and the fate of the PM track, I am now in favor of seeing one of my all time favorite attractions return. Had you asked me 5 years ago I probably would be defending Tangaroa's opinion right now, but I have changed my opinion. I would now be in favor of some sort of People Mover attraction in TL. I must admit, late sixties early seventies "World on the Move" is my most favorite ever era of the park, and I give into my fondness for that era and would like to see something similar to what once was.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo Well, I wouldn’t be so quick to automatically discount all CM information as “worthless.†I knew about the Buzz and the new Monorail fleet a number of months before they were announced and buzzing on the internet. I freely admit that the information they get is usually extremely tentative or are simply under consideration and may not materialize, but it is worth a little bit of thought as much of the information is passed on to CMs by leads and area managers. That is how I learned my information anyway. But I do understand sifting through the rumor mill can be quite daunting.
Originally Posted By Futurist >>BTW welcome back Futurist!!!!<< LOL Thank you! :O) Even though I prefer to go by my real name .. and have for the last couple of years ... it's as if Tang brought out the "Sauron" inside of me again ... As 'Sauron' has made a return .. just shy of the one ring! ;p~
Originally Posted By Futurist For the moment, I'll keep up the "Futurist" moniker for this topic ... and taunt the witches ... then it's back to the more sedate oc_dean
Originally Posted By Futurist >> Shorten the track a little.<< ehh .. no thanks. That's the problem with WDW's Peoplemover/TTA. Disneyland's has the LUXURY of being a longer and MORE ENJOYABLE ride due to it's length. I was upset the 'Offenbach' piece was removed, and one of the verses of 'Listen to the Birdies sing' out of Tiki Room due to audiences with shorter attention spans ... I have no interest in seeing one more attraction being trunkated!
