Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I think you said Hans, at somewhere here on the boards that BART does travel outside in some spots ... but OHHHH, I think if there were sections in the main city where it blends in with the city's "architecture" ..> With a few exceptions, where BART travels outside, it's between freeways or through industrial areas.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "...and NYC is going to have to add on more by creating overhead systems to help the load with the systems running under ground." That's impossible. There's no real estate left in Manhattan to build elevated rail. Likewise in San Francisco, Oakland and Berkeley. BTW, the vast majority of BART's system is above ground.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Al has some interesting comments on the Peoplemover in his latest update: <a href="http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al112806d.htm" target="_blank">http://www.miceage.com/allutz/ al112806d.htm</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean Very interesting piece of news! >>there also needs to be some sort of rider interactivity, so a steering mechanism that would allow the vehicle to tilt and turn is also proposed.<< I always knew that the same basic ride that existed between 1967-1995 was never going to be enough. I've suggested a 360 'swiveling' axel under certain cars would make the ride a bit different. So, if this latest idea sticks ... Along with something more enclosed, than an open-air train ...... Then I feel I win this long debate since I've been dreaming of something different than the "1967" Peoplemover ... but with an enclosed type, like the vehicles in Logan's Run. If they do this "egg" shape vehicle out of Incredibles ... it's going to fit the architecture of the land just fine .. since the 1967 infrastructure/building shapes still exist. The Incredibles takes place around 1963/64 ... So, we get about the same era of futurism. My main concern is they do a tie-in to Incredibles that is so BLATANT that it's a bit too "toony" for a land that already has enough toons to go around. The word 'understated' is key. LOL Plus, if they want the ride to last well beyond the relevance of this Pixar film, then they need to go down the route of being subtle. Another thing ... Al Lutz says the huge capacity ability is thrown out the door - Not necessarily! They can tie 4 pods together to create a full train. Even if each pod can only handle 2 people ... that is half of the Peoplemover system which was 4,880 people. At half, that would be 2,440. And considering PotC is about that ... Tomorrowland has returned a huge capacity atttraction as far as I'm concerned. Whether it's an open air train or an enclosed pod ... It's a "peoplemover II" as far as I'm concerned. So, I feel like celebrating!!
Originally Posted By oc_dean A glance at the Peoplemover system in the 1976 film "Logan's Run": Like the 'Incredibles' concept ... Basically oval in shape, and fully to semi enclosed: <a href="http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/loganmovie/city/page3a.html" target="_blank">http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/l oganmovie/city/page3a.html</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean Okay .. here's food for thought..... In "The Incredibles" ... they are single pods. The suggestion I just mentioned, do 4 pods to make one train. What about a variety with single pods, 2 pod trains, and 4 pod trains. Mix it up. All with different colors to seperate 1 to 2 to 4 pod trains. If someone wants the freedom and independence to zoom around in their own single independent '1 pod' they can ... while a family can all stick together in a train of 4 that can seat a total of 8. This idea combines the best elements of the 1967 Peoplemover .. and still be something quite different. I think anyone here would agree that the pods in The Incredibles were all white .. and are going to get "lost" on the track. But the beauty to the 1967-1986 color scheme (SOLID) ... they should be painted all over in one color, while accented in white/chrome/whatever. ______________________________ I've spent the last year embracing the fact the Incredibles pods would be the possible chosen design. I have had hopes for other designs ... but I've learned it could be this .. or tear the tracks down. I just pray theY tone down the movie tie in. PLEASE! Make the ride classic.
Originally Posted By BrerFoxx I think mousefun has changed his name to Hans Reinhardt-- I am following a similar immature tone and inability to let little things go in both of their comments.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt >>A glance at the Peoplemover system in the 1976 film "Logan's Run"<< Interesting, OC. Can you believe I've never seen that film? Those vehicles you point out from the movie remind me a bit of Rocket Rods.
Originally Posted By tangaroa I kept saying that the only way the PeopleMover would make a come back is if it was tied back into a cartoon franchise. That's the only way the ride will be able to draw a significant audience - and in turn make back the high price tag. The ride system that Al describes in his article is so economically unfeasible that there's no chance it will ever get built. If the car has to be enclosed - then that means building an expensive fiberglass body large enough to enclosed 4 people. You can't make the pods too wide because you have to leave viable walking space along the track for evacuations. If you want to enclose a viewing space you're going to have to include some kind of glass or plexi-glass too - which can be a good chunk of change. An enclosed pod is going to need some kind of ventilation system - and an audio system. Al suggested that since the pods would need to be enclosed - the Imagineers decided to add a "interactive" element by allowing guests to turn, rotate, and tilt the pods to the viewing angle of their pleasure. That means adding a computer and motors to power the rotation. All of this suggests vehicles that would be very expensive. At least too expensive to mass produce as the old PeopleMover trains were. Instead of 60 trains holding 16 people each - I'd imagine 20 pods holding 4 people each would be more accurate. With fewer vehicles - the only way you can keep capacity up is to increase the speed of the vehicles. So you've created a ride with very expensive vehicles that travel really fast along a track that was designed in 1967. Congratulations: you just reinvented the Rocket Rods. It is a cute little idea – but if Al is correct and this is the current line of thinking at WDI, I doubt it will ever happen. As I’ve said hundreds of times before in this thread – the only way a replacement ride would be viable is if it had a cartoon tie-in to push merchandise at the exit – or include some high speed thrill element. Even by including both of these elements I doubt that this Incredibles Pod version of the PeopleMover would be able to overcome the huge obstacles and price tag to ever see the light of day. It’s time to raze the track and start all over.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^^The good old days when someone like Bob Gurr could cobble something together out of parts found in a catalog are long gone. I suppose that a "cheap" way to get the old PeopleMovers back would be to enclose the cars in some kind of mesh or bars that would keep limbs safely inside the car. In the end, however, the real question is will the masses take to it? I could see people lining up to ride an Incredibles themed pod, especially if it was fast. But if its low capacity like RR's was then it might not be worth the expense.
Originally Posted By tangaroa It's sad to admit - but people still lined up for Rocket Rods. That ride consistantly had a 90 minute wait for all of the two years it was open - despite all the things us fans complain about. The ride had no story, no detail, no theme - but the kids loved it. It goes to show that people will line up for a thrill ride - even if it's missing all of the classic elements we think of when we think of Disney attractions. The only reason I believe the Rocket Rods met their demise was the huge maintenance expense those vehicles incurred. If the pods for this new version end up costing the same - it won't be worth the maint budget.
Originally Posted By avromark <<I could see people lining up to ride an Incredibles themed pod, especially if it was fast. But if its low capacity like RR's was then it might not be worth the expense.>> Doesn't have to be fast, if it had some interactivity to it (besides swiveling, I don't know maybe some sort of "Incredibles Mission" then you could keep it slower.
Originally Posted By Lightning Bry i will for sure sign the petition. i have a good memory on that ride. they took it out right after my first time riding it.
Originally Posted By oc_dean What I'd like to know is ... Why did take from Sept 2000 (Rockets Rods closure) to November 2006 to get around telling us DOSH put a nix to any open-air train? Took 6 whopping years to figure that one out?
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>It’s time to raze the track and start all over.<< But you also remember .. to do so .. would entail razing the rest of Tomorrowland. And do you think Disney is willing to do that? For your answer ... look to the latest DCA news. But just for the record Tang ... I'm on your side on this .. To the degree ALL of Tomorrowland needs a total overhaul. Tear out the track .. tear the whole land out! And have a completely brand new Tomorrowland. With some sort of a "transporting" ride weaving in and around other Tomorrowland attractions. But Tomorrowland's future is all-too mirroring DCA's future.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>It's sad to admit - but people still lined up for Rocket Rods.<< I only rode those once. It was OK, but not worth that long line IMHO.
Originally Posted By G2-4T Just an update - the petition passed 1000 names this week. Another letter and copy of the names will go off to the Disney folks - will be posting any reply on the site. Meanwhile - keep spreading the word and help make Tomorrowland a land on the move again! <a href="http://www.peopleforthepeoplemover.org" target="_blank">http://www.peopleforthepeoplem over.org</a>
