Originally Posted By fkurucz I think that perhaps one problem with the people mover is tha there are similar systems in the real world. For instance the airport in Denver has plenty of self moving walkways and an automatic train system for moving around the airport. Curiously, they dismantled an automatic luggage system (luggage mover?) that automatically transported luggage to the right plane or luggage claim carrousel. It never worked as advertised.
Originally Posted By seanyoda oc_dean wrote <<The world is full of imaginative minds .. and HUNDREDS of sci-fi magazines, movies, television shows that have drawn up some pretty cool looking systems.>> For example, something like this... <a href="http://www.thecoolhunter.net/design/THE-MOBILITY-PROJECT/" target="_blank">http://www.thecoolhunter.net/d esign/THE-MOBILITY-PROJECT/</a>
Originally Posted By Roger55 ^^ I looked at the picturs and I can't tell what they are representing. Picture on the left looks like a rest station along the street. Second picture looks like an elevated tube but I can tell what type of transport system is in it. Article mentions a motorized chair lift like system, but I sure can't see it from the pictures. Anyone else able to decipher them better than I could?
Originally Posted By jmuboy DL should be happy with their TL. WDW's is a sad shadow of its former self. A terrible Stitch ride, an inferior Buzz ride, another Pixar show on its way, an older version of Space Mt. Throw in some rotting infrastructure and wala! You have WDW's run down TL!
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Our TL may in all other areas be superior, but WDW DOES still have it's version of People Mover and you can get in without dealing with the traffic clogger that is the Astro Orbitor smack dab in the center of the entrance walkway.
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Originally Posted By oc_dean >>I think that perhaps one problem with the people mover is tha there are similar systems in the real world. For instance the airport in Denver has plenty of self moving walkways and an automatic train system for moving around the airport. << Although ... overall .. these systems are far few and inbetween., and limited to navigating around only one complex. They don't reach out to their cities. THAT'S the issue with any system that has been constructed in the last 25 or so years. Limited. So, they aren't common place. Progress is very slow .. particularly in our own country when it comes to mass transit systems. Look at OC. It's pathetic! Rail systems on the drawing boards since the 1970s and the constant stalling for even ONE system in a massive county as ours with an equally massive population is proof many large US cities need INSPIRATION!
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Our TL may in all other areas be superior, but WDW DOES still have it's version of People Mover and you can get in without dealing with the traffic clogger that is the Astro Orbitor smack dab in the center of the entrance walkway.<< I found WDW's version to be a total bore. And judging by the ridership level, so did everyone else that day. No doubt 30+ years ago the concept was new and probably drew oohs and aahhs. But today you can find more sophisticated stuff at your local airport.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb True, but I ride it for nostalgia's sake (and it's nice to kick up my feet for a few minutes)
Originally Posted By tiggertoo Honestly, I think don't think there would be enough room for a highly popluar attraction in that area which was why (I think) the Rods line was built into the Circle Vision building. Now that Buzz is in that building, I can hardly invision where they would put the line for a similarly popular attraction. A good C or D attraction might be all the real estate TL can afford to spare.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros If the ride has a high enough capacity, then I don't think there will be any issue with the popularity. I don't remember exactly how DL's PM station was set up, but its (most likely much bigger) sister in WDW has room for some switchbacks at the top of the ramp. I think they could also use some of the space around the bottom of the platform, as the Radio Disney booth doesn't need any queue space like the Lunching Pad did. As with most attractions, with time the really long lines will go away, and it really won't be that big of an issue.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>I found WDW's version to be a total bore. << LOL .. you know what ... I echo the same sentiment to a degree. It's about half the size of the former DL version. DL's has a few lifts and dips throughout the track .. particulary over Autopia/Subs. >>But today you can find more sophisticated stuff at your local airport.<< There's actually only a handful of airports in the US that have some kind of a transit system. Lets look at one particular major metropolis right here in the US - The LA Basin. You're not going to find one single system in any of it's major airports .. and it's 'only' 2006: LAX, John Wayne, Ontario - Nuzzing! And how often does the average person travel, and going to encounter one of these short systems? When I see an airport peoplemover take a person to more than just a different side of the terminal .. but actually LEAVE the airport grounds ... travel well into into any major city .. cross from one end of the town .. and back to the airport .. then I'll shut up. ;~) I'm just playing with you fkurucz. :~ But I think I lay down a good point. DL and WDW peoplemover systems ... as they glided in and out of buildings demonstrate EXACTLY what a Real-Deal should do .. exactly that - Connect building to building like this: <a href="http://www.ecosensual.net/drm/ideas/LogansRuncity37s.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.ecosensual.net/drm/ ideas/LogansRuncity37s.jpg</a> source from: <a href="http://www.ecosensual.net/drm/ideas/future1.html" target="_blank">http://www.ecosensual.net/drm/ ideas/future1.html</a> What little we do have has a rather dull mid 20th century appeal to it. And for all the gloom and doom naysers of the 1967 Peoplemover ... that old design that was created on WED drawing boards around 1965/66 still looks far more futuristic than anything that has been built since then.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>When I see an airport peoplemover take a person to more than just a different side of the terminal .. but actually LEAVE the airport grounds ... travel well into into any major city .. cross from one end of the town .. and back to the airport .. then I'll shut up. ;~) << Bing lots of patience. It will be a long a slow ride.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>LAX, John Wayne, Ontario - Nuzzing! << Well, these are California airports after all. Mass transit and SoCal are not commonly associated with each other. Also, LAX is ancient, while SNA and Ontario are small airports. DIA is much newer and is large. And has a fully automated train system that connects the concourses with each other and the main terminal. Concourse A is also connected to the terminal via a longe bridhe euiped with moving walkways. And, as I mentioned before, it had the ill fated "luggage mover". Apparently each suitcase had its own high speed mover that was supposed to wisk it from the terminal to the proper gate. Apparently the designers couldn't keep the cars from crashing into each other. I understand that there were some pretty spectacular crashes and some very mangled luggage as a result.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Well, these are California airports after all. Mass transit and SoCal are not commonly associated with each other<< HUH - You're not kidding! Let me tell you ... One of the STUPIDEST things SoCal ever did was the dismantling of this: <a href="http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/la/historic/redcars/" target="_blank">http://www.usc.edu/libraries/a rchives/la/historic/redcars/</a> Which was quite extensive ..... <a href="http://www.usc.edu/libraries/archives/la/historic/redcars/redcar_map.jpeg" target="_blank">http://www.usc.edu/libraries/a rchives/la/historic/redcars/redcar_map.jpeg</a> ... And if we atleast had every right-of-way there would be room for future rail systems.
Originally Posted By monorailblue The DL PeopleMover setup did not have much room for a queue after the first speed ramp--which is why Guests were frequently held at the bottom for a minute or two--to let the upper areas clear a bit. However, a couple of switchbacks could be (and occasionally were) set up directly under the track extending out towards the TL entrance. The Attraction had such an amazing, astounding, stupendous capacity, very little queue was needed. And the DL to WDW PeopleMover comparison is really no comparison. The DL version was superior in every way except smoothness. The WDW version IS very, very smooth, but quite, quite boring. The journey over the Autopias and the sub lagoon were my favorite parts--we always scrambled to see the "Disneyland Oceanagraphic Research Station" sign for the few brief moments it was visible, and enjoyed all the unique, leafy views of Tomorrowland. After Motor Boat Cruise went down, and with Fantasyland Autopia rarely running, there were stretches of quiet and stillness, something missing from most of DL today, what with the sardine-like nature of the crowds. So let's do another PeopleMover--not "bring it back", but do a 2.0--it could be done and it could be GREAT.
Originally Posted By berol "I found WDW's version to be a total bore." I thought the same of DL's, even with the super speed tunnels (cuz they failed miserably for me and I tried hard to feel the illusion.) I'd rather it not come back, but leave the track up cuz it looks cool from the ground and provides shade. If it did return, do something more futuristic than a transportation system that transports you to the place you started. Add station(s) (space mtn, and/or DLRR-innoventions-autopia and/or monorail platform.) That might be all that would get me to ride it for a reason other than to say I rode it, a Tomorrowland version of Main St. Vehicles to save my feet some wear and tear.
Originally Posted By Nobody I think I'd have to veto the "adding stations to the PM track" idea. Tomorrowland just isn't that big (especially from attraction entrance to attraction entrance). Also, it seems like "transportation" rides are a bit tricky. The Main Street vehicles are one way only. Skyway was the same way. They were / are low capacity, but at least you knew that there were a steady stream of empty vehicles waiting for you. The steam trains act differently, in that you could be waiting at a station, and the arriving train is full and no one gets off. That's the chance you take, and it's the way the PM would work under the proposal in post 37. I'd much rather leave the PM (or it's replacement) as is with one station. I'm sure the resort has an opportunity elsewhere for a three or four station transportation system that would get plenty of use. Perhaps I'll think about that one next time I'm walking back to Paradise Pier... ;-)
Originally Posted By berol "They were / are low capacity, but at least you knew that there were a steady stream of empty vehicles waiting for you." You convinced me, no peoplemover! tho when my feet are aching at Autopia, I'd kill for a ride to the other end of tomorrowland.
