Originally Posted By BrerFoxx OC_DEAN, I am disapointed to see this kind of behavior here at this site--your "shut up" comments are a little uncalled for. Technically mousefun is right. Disney is always looking forward to the next big attraction and how it can be bigger and better. Looking back to the peoplemover is entirely un disney like. As much I would love to have the people mover back it just isn't going to happen. Disney focuses their time on what is coming up in the future. Walt Disney always said that his favorite attraction was which ever was coming up next. Sorry to be negative but it just isn't going to happen.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I don't throw statements like "shut-up" normally around here. In fact it's my first. Considering I've been a poster for 6 years with over 6,000 posts, and over 200 created topics. And to do so with this poster, should say something! Stick around here at LP long enough .. and you'll see we have very little tolerance for "trollish" behavior. This topic is note to click on to the petition. General discussion is great. But if anyone wants to start a negative tirade against any kind of a new Peoplemover system ... Please take it somewhere else.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Looking back to the peoplemover is entirely un disney like<< You mean like the 'un disney' way Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln when it came back in 1975? And like the 'un disney' way the subs are coming back in 2007? Walt Disney was not only for new things, but he has also been quoted for saying, he likes to see current things plussed and refreshened. Jungle Cruise is a perfect example. >>but it just isn't going to happen.<< Oh, do tell us what you know. You know .... we can pretty much say what we want around here .. and convince ourselves is the reality.... But lets keep ourselves in perspective in this public forum. The only ones who know what's going to happen for sure are those behind closed doors at WDI. They are pretty good at keeping secrets.
Originally Posted By mousefun [OC_DEAN, I am disapointed to see this kind of behavior here at this site--your "shut up" comments are a little uncalled for.] Amen to that. OC Dean has been none to bully persons here and there, so, no surprise. Though I can take it, no prob [Technically mousefun is right. Disney is always looking forward to the next big attraction and how it can be bigger and better. Looking back to the peoplemover is entirely un disney like. As much I would love to have the people mover back it just isn't going to happen. Disney focuses their time on what is coming up in the future. Walt Disney always said that his favorite attraction was which ever was coming up next. Sorry to be negative but it just isn't going to happen.] I agree. Some people simply do not like change. Yearn for the days of Monsanto House of Aluminum Future. [You mean like the 'un disney' way Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln when it came back in 1975? And like the 'un disney' way the subs are coming back in 2007?] Lincoln never "came back". It's been basically the same show. Oh, btw, a boring one at that move around 3,000 persons a day. OC, you dont see any Lincoln in this theater now, do you? Pretty UnDisney to bring back such an antiquated clunker like Mr. Lincoln. Subs coming back in a totally new ride form. AND, sadly, I feel that, capactiy wise, it will be a disaster (as was the distarous capcity sucking WedWay redo, Rocket Rods).
Originally Posted By oc_dean So, anyone want to sign the Peoplemover petition? <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/</a> pplmover/petition.html
Originally Posted By oc_dean Lets try that again: <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/pplmover/petition.html" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/ pplmover/petition.html</a>
Originally Posted By mousefun Hey, OC...you mentioned something about admin sweeping away something? Just curious. Dont see any admin here. I vote for NO Peoplemover. I say let's use that space wisely for something compelling, not boring.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I say let's use that space wisely for something compelling>> Surely the PM is more compelling than an empty track, and it really doesn't take up space, since the track is already there. Besides that, boring is subjective. Just because you didn't like the PM does not mean it's not worthwhile.
Originally Posted By mousefun [Surely the PM is more compelling than an empty track, and it really doesn't take up space, since the track is already there. Besides that, boring is subjective. Just because you didn't like the PM does not mean it's not worthwhile.] First, a tad hypocritical dont you think, to call me a troll yet still respond to my post? Secondly, I guess you can say that a urinal in a closet is more compelling then just an empty closet. Nothing on the PM track has been working quite well for many years now, thank you very much. Sorry. PM is 100% never coming back. This is a fact. Now, if you dont mine, please sign my petition below: www.revivesuperstarlimoohprettyplease.com
Originally Posted By oc_dean I made another discovery on the web ... cool shot of the Peoplemover station: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thekenzers/298765898/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/t hekenzers/298765898/</a> Interestingly ... once the Tomorrowlanding shop was complete ... part of the planter to the immediate south was removed, and is now a flat surface .... just like we see here in the exact same space - Here shown in 1975.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<First, a tad hypocritical dont you think, to call me a troll yet still respond to my post?>> I never said you were a troll, but that you posted trollish things. There's a difference. <<Secondly, I guess you can say that a urinal in a closet is more compelling then just an empty closet. Nothing on the PM track has been working quite well for many years now, thank you very much.>> That things didn't work quite so well was because Disney didn't bother to maintain the PM, and the design of the RR was poor, not because either was "boring." <<PM is 100% never coming back. This is a fact.>> I never said it was, and it is not a fact, it's an opinion. I happen to agree that the likelyhood of it not returning is very high, but never say never. <<if you dont mine, please sign my petition below:>> They did revive SSL in the same way they are reviving the Submarine Voyage. Same ride, different theme. And that IS a fact.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I made another discovery on the web ... cool shot of the Peoplemover station.." Thanks for sharing that. It is also interesting to see how barren Tomorrowland was back then. There sure was a lot of asphalt.
Originally Posted By tangaroa You know and it's really funny. I never really thought how plain and boring white paint was until TL was painted something else. Exposed steel girders? Plain white stucco walls. It looks so cold and uninviting. It looks so industrial. It looks like Paradise Pier.
Originally Posted By danyoung I'm all for the Peoplemover to come back, in whatever form. I'd hope they'd do some updating, maybe use the linear induction motors, perhaps put in some scenes over the course of the track. But as others have said, anything there is better than nothing. Tomorrowland has been so sad without all of that wonderful kinetic energy that it used to have. Subs, new monorails and a working Peoplemover would bring a lot of life back into this sadly neglected area. And oc_dean, I see you're discovering the joys of communicating with my buddy mousefun. The sad thing is he really does seem knowledgeable about Disney parks and their history. And maybe some of his points could be discussed and bantered around if his bombastic junior high taunting style weren't so danged irritating. I found the best way is to just laugh at the little fella, and hope he goes away . . .
Originally Posted By mousefun [I never said you were a troll, but that you posted trollish things. There's a difference.] Ok. I just stopped laughing now. [I never said it was, and it is not a fact, it's an opinion. I happen to agree that the likelyhood of it not returning is very high, but never say never.] No. It's done. Never. And, what's with the phrase, never say never? Why not? I will NEVER snort coke. I will NEVER jump off a 50 story building. I will NEVER like Country music. That phrase never say never is the silliest cliche' ever. Makes no sense. [They did revive SSL in the same way they are reviving the Submarine Voyage. Same ride, different theme. And that IS a fact.] Well, with your logic, then, Winnie the Pooh is simply a revived version of Country Bears. [But as others have said, anything there is better than nothing. ] Really? Large mounds of cow manure? Blenders full of rotted fish? Once again, throwing out a wide net by using a cliche'. [And oc_dean, I see you're discovering the joys of communicating with my buddy mousefun. The thing is he really does seem knowledgeable about Disney parks and their history.] Thanks, Dan for the compliment! Wish I could say the same
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Well, with your logic, then, Winnie the Pooh is simply a revived version of Country Bears." Say what??
Originally Posted By danyoung >Thanks, Dan for the compliment! Wish I could say the same < See, oc_dean? Junior high taunting. Might as well said "I know you're not but what am I?" Ain't he cute?
Originally Posted By mousefun "Well, with your logic, then, Winnie the Pooh is simply a revived version of Country Bears." Say what?? Exactly! Trekkrus' logic is befuddling to say the least. Hmmm, Dan. Who's taunting who here? I am merely having a thorough conversation. Please do not bring it down to an infantile level, thanks.
Originally Posted By dsnykid Dan can't bring it down any lower than you already have mousefun... you sound like a toddler who isn't getting his way. Whether or not the PM is coming back seems to be a topic being worked on by WDI and TDA right now. So unless you are directly employed by either of those sections of Disney and can say with 100% certainty that you have seen the plans for tomorrowland and you know if the pm is or isn't coming back; simply say "I'm not a fan of the Peoplemover and won't sign the petition, thanks anyway."
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<[They did revive SSL in the same way they are reviving the Submarine Voyage. Same ride, different theme. And that IS a fact.] Well, with your logic, then, Winnie the Pooh is simply a revived version of Country Bears.>> Not that I need to explain, but since you are playing numbskull, I will for your behalf: Monster's Inc. uses the same track as SSL. Many of the figures are redressed as well. JUST LIKE the New Nemo ride... it uses the same track and vehicles as the old Sub Voyage. Pooh on the other hand, is an entirely new attraction, save for the CBJ tribute that non-fans don't even see. There is no auditorium in Pooh; there was no track in CBJ. <<I am merely having a thorough conversation.>> ...and I am sure you will have some smart-a** answer for this post too.
