Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF If I may be permitted a little sidetrack. Happy Gay Pride from Fred Phelps: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMS2UAEMKIU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...2UAEMKIU</a> hehehehehe...
Originally Posted By DAR The Phelps' are so out there and so crazy that I saw Sean Hannity throw down with one of its members. Actually if you go to Youtube and type in Hannity and Colmes there's a video of both of them just taking this witch from the Phelps Klan down. Seriously even if you didn't like one or the other because of your political views, you'd like them at that point.
Originally Posted By Mr X Say what you will about Hannity, Limbaugh, Olbermann or whoever, but they are still "mainstream" and none of them are idiots (far from it). The Phelps cult is as fringe as you can get (it's a little pathetic that Hannity or whoever would even give those types any airtime at all...but I suppose it's a ratings thing).
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Fred Phelps on the big screen. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKHf8bDQjwU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...f8bDQjwU</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>To play devils advocate here for a moment, doesn't the fact that you've already acknowledged being a meat eater simply mean that you prefer to have your killing done for you?<< I see what you mean, but I don't think a lot of hunters go out and hunt cows or chickens, which is really all I eat Oh, and fish.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Yeah, sport hunting is a different thing. I have no problem if somebody is actually hunting for their dinner, but shooting and killing an animal to put it's head on your wall is where I draw the line. As for the fish tossing...they're dead fish. Before PETA came and made a fuss, who else was thinking that the fish were being "disrespected"?? It's food. It's not like they are playing with their carcases for fun... I really question PETA's sanity sometimes. I think their goal is admirable, to not mistreat animals, but they go WAY too far most of the time. Sometimes to the point of abandoning their own message with violence or cruelty. I've lost all respect for that organization.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan On Peta's site, they have a video of a commercial they created. A family with a young daughter has just ordered a new puppy. Then the fellow selling them the dog plops a (filled) body bag on the desk. "When you buy a dog, you kill a dog in a shelter." The little girl starts crying "I don't want to kill a dog!" This is the sort of insane rhetoric and in-your-face messages Peta spreads around. How anyone at that organization doesn't see why a commercial like that would backfire is beyond me. Paint otherwise loving pet owners as careless predators. Way to win people over.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I see what you mean, but I don't think a lot of hunters go out and hunt cows or chickens, which is really all I eat Oh, and fish.*** Well, no. Of course not. Those are farm raised. So here are two hypotheticals for ya. 1) would you, given no other choice, slaughter your own farm animals in order to get your fix? 2) would you, given no other choice, go forth and hunt and kill wild animals in order to get your fix? (and yes, still in devils advocate mode...I love delicious animals too ) ***Yeah, sport hunting is a different thing.*** Well, it is and it isn't. There certainly is a huge double (multiple?) standard as it pertains to which animals we are or are not allowed to, for lack of a better word, abuse. Many have a problem with the deer head over the fireplace but have no problem with the marlin over the fireplace. NONE of those people would kill a dog for sport (even the Koreans at least eat the beast). And the president could swat a fly to sycophantic applause, and yet some disturbed kid who killed cats is considered a monster who should be locked up for life (I'm not even going to delve into the psyche implications here...simply the dichotomy of our way with animals), but people hold down decent jobs slitting the throats of pigs all day long. It's just weird. That's all I'm sayin.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 And loving cat and dog owners put on collars designed to kill insects. I'd say 99.9% of us DO value mammal life higher than insect life. So I don't see the contradiction in valuing human life over non-human life. I agree we should not be cruel to animals. I'm down with much of what PETA stands for. But then they just go off the deep end, as 2oony says.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin Like how Californians passed a measure last fall to support humane animal treatment, and right after that billboards went up reminding the voters that they passed the measure now they should take the next step and stop eating animals...
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie Mmmmmmm, but animals are so tasty! I was VERY upset when we were in Seattle. We went to Pike Place Fish Market and they didn't throw a single fish. I don't think we throw nearly enough food.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I just noticed that on the Bio channel they are celebrating the 30th anniversary of Animal House...a food fight seems appropriate at this time. Fist full of spaghetti atop X's head!
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/17/peta-wishes-obama-hadnt-s_n_217162.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...162.html</a> >>And the president could swat a fly to sycophantic applause<< Not according to PETA. They issued a statement saying the President shouldn't have swatted the fly.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin My favorite!!!! (okay, that was just weird) (unleashing a jar of marachino cherries at X) Maybe I should have opened the jar!?
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin you know, some people don't consider marachino cherries fruit...at one point in my life that and the lemon wedges were the only fruit I was getting.
