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Originally Posted By Labuda "<<USE YOUR GUN?!?! SERIOUSLY? What is WRONG with people?>> Well if you heard the tone in which it has been chanted it's quite comical." Sorry, but as a person who had a bullet travel through her back and miss her spinal cord by about 5 mm, I don't see how that could EVER be comical. Guns are not a laughing matter. Oh, and for the record, I do love to shoot, but only at a range. No chance would I EVER joke about shooting a person.
Originally Posted By onlyme This is a complicated issue. This ain't the 70's. Times have changed. On the surface, it seems excessive to taser some doofus running on a baseball field. But, we're so consumed with terrorism these days (and, rightly so), that no action is taken lightly.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< All my point is that we ought to be a better culture, especially given our proclaimed Christian nationality. Getting pleasure, as DAR seems to be doing, over a minor criminal's pain and suffering is simple-minded and kinda creepy. >>> Ironically, at least two of the people that are participating in this thread and that seem to take joy at the Philly field trespasser's take-down are among those that have repeatedly told us how important their Christian faith is to them in other threads.
Originally Posted By SuperDry Regarding the use of tasers in general, I think it's a complex situation. And, there's so much to comment on in this thread that I hardly know where to start. First, let me address #22: <<< ***A misdemeanor is stealing a candy bar from the gas station*** Says you. >>> It's apparently a quote from the Admin'd #21, which apparently was from SPPH. Who knows what was said in that thread to cause it to get admin'd. But I'd like to point out what SPPH almost certainly knows: at least in CA, stealing a candybar from a gas station can be a felony if the person has a prior conviction for misdemeanor theft. Given that situation, should *every* arrest for petty theft in California be done using felony arrest procedures, under the notion that the person *might* have a previous conviction for theft?
Originally Posted By SuperDry I think the fatalities from tasers has been far more than the two reported by wahooskipper. In law enforcement, there's the notion of "escalation of force." An officer is supposed to use the minimum amount of force necessary to control the situation, taking into account the totality of the situation, including risk of injury to the suspect and risk of injury to the officer and bystanders. Prior to the introduction of tasers, the generally-accepted escalation was verbal, manual (pressure grips and the like), chemical agents (mace, pepper spray), impact weapons (baton), and as a last resort deadly force (guns). There's a balance to be struck in the use of force. Some in this thread act as if they'd not be against simply shooting every suspect that resists police force - after all, they could end up having a hidden weapon or being a terrorist, right? And, what business does anyone have resisting the police, right? But, society wouldn't tolerate this. Let's consider the various levels of force. Chemical agents as used by law enforcement are not known to have resulted in death. Impact weapons, when properly used, are unlikely to cause death, although they might break bones and hurt like hell. It's possible that an impact weapon accidentally or deliberately misused would hit someone in the head and cause death. Firearms usually cause death, especially in police situations where the only justifiable use of a firearm is when deadly force is justified - that is, when police shoot, they shoot to kill, and if they don't have justification to kill, they don't have justification to shoot. So, where does a Taser fall into this escalation of force? I'm sure it's well-defined by any department that issues them, and there's probably a generally-accepted position in the ranking. I don't know what it is, but I would guess it's probably somewhere +/- an impact weapon. Getting back to the Philly situation, apparently the person using the Taser was a Philly cop, and that his supervisors have preliminarily cleared his use of the Taser as being within department guidelines. These guidelines apparently permit the use of a Taser to take down a fleeing suspect, even if the crime is a misdemeanor. When I think about that some more, I really don't know what I think. It's a difficult situation.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "It's apparently a quote from the Admin'd #21, which apparently was from SPPH. Who knows what was said in that thread to cause it to get admin'd. But I'd like to point out what SPPH almost certainly knows: at least in CA, stealing a candybar from a gas station can be a felony if the person has a prior conviction for misdemeanor theft. Given that situation, should *every* arrest for petty theft in California be done using felony arrest procedures, under the notion that the person *might* have a previous conviction for theft?" That wasn't my post that was admined, so it's not my quote.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> These guidelines apparently permit the use of a Taser to take down a fleeing suspect << "Fleeing" wouldn't accurately describe what was happening here. Yes he was running around on the field, but he was boxed in too - he had no likely avenue of escape. He was going to be apprehended regardless of where he went.
