Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> But you can still pass from land to land without going back to the hub once you're in the lands at WDW. << True, mostly. You can go around the perimeter of the park from land-to-land directly. But you can't get to Main Street except from the hub. There's no connect from Tomorrowland or Adventureland to Main Street except thru the hub area.
Originally Posted By WolvesTwilight ^^^^ Well, you can go past the Noodle Station via Tomorrowland and end up at the Plaza, thus bypassing the hub to Main Street. Adventure Land you can also cut along the Crystal Palce and Casey's Corner.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Yep. Both of those are good to use if the hub itself has a parade in it. But then that same parade would also be in Main Street, still an obstacle. Here's a question -- does the parade in Tokyo go down their "Main Street" or not? I really don't know. I'm guessing not, partially because their Main Street is covered over. And if it doesn't where does it start and end?
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<I don't think we could place blame on Walt for something he probably never anticipated as a problem, but for those in charge now (aka the ones capable of effecting change) YES, I do place blame for not fixing the situation.>> <<Exactly. As I recall, Walt's original plan had everyone going back to the hub whenever they wanted to change lands. Early on it became apparent that other, more direct paths would be necessasry to reduce congestion at the hub.>> Walt purposely designed the Park to have only one entrance, and he purposely imposed the connect-through-the-hub structure. So, yes, I do think he is partly responsisble for the congestion and crowd control issues that arise because of these design features. (Would I CHANGE the single-entrance and hub features if I could? No. Even recalling the panic I've felt upon being trapped in New Orleans Square/Adventureland literally unable to move, and also remembering other unpleasant experiences related to Parades and entertainment, I wouldn't add another entrance. But I think it's fair to point out that the lack of one -- by Walt's design -- causes problems.) I'm not even saying Walt SHOULD have anticipated the problems they cause(d). I think it's incumbent upon those who have to work with this structure to come up with successful solutions. Adding the inter-Land connectors is an example. Widening Main Street in subsequent Parks is another. I agree that those in charge now in Florida need to make changes -- whether it involves physical structure or scheduling or whatever -- to fix the situations that have been described here.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I do notice that there are "side" paths available in Tokyo Disneyland that take you directly from their "Main Street" into Tomorrowland on one side, and Adventureland on the other. You don't have to go all the way to the hub first.<< That is correct, and at the same time very ironic since TDL has the biggest hub of all the 5 DL/MK parks. However, I do not understand why it is so difficult to redesign the backsides of Main Street at the MK and DL and have DLP's Arcades added to those parks... Not sure about DL but at the MK, there is enough space back there for that. >>Walt purposely designed the Park to have only one entrance, and he purposely imposed the connect-through-the-hub structure. So, yes, I do think he is partly responsisble for the congestion and crowd control issues that arise because of these design features.<< I can understand your point.. but again, I question whether Walt was intelligent enough to anticipate such chaos when the park reached close to capacity. If not, then yes, we could partially place blame.. but it's so much more fun to blame the current management team, is it not??
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb ^^^yes it's much more satisfying to blame current management. Blaming someone 40 years in his grave gets you bupkis, not even an apology.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<If not, then yes, we could partially place blame.. but it's so much more fun to blame the current management team, is it not??>> I haven't used the word "blame" in this thread once. I wrote that Walt is "responsible for" a design that creates major logistical challenges. But, okay, okay, I can use it. Even though they're operating with factors that are out of their control (including Park design), I "blame" current management for scheduling revenue-producing events in a way that produces an unacceptable unpleasantness in the experience of day guests.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Blaming someone 40 years in his grave gets you bupkis << Who is this "bupkis" person?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Just an FYI for any pirates or princesses out there, a very reliable birdie flew in over the weekend and told me the P&P Parties would be back again in mid-August and run until they start MNSSHP. Much like the free dining offer, which will be back, it is designed to fill rooms during WDW's slowest time of the year.
Originally Posted By disneyhabit I think Disney should close the park and shops and have every non paying event guests out by 6pm and then start the party/event at 7pm. I know I don't like over paying for an event and then having people walking around for freebies. Also, Disney should definitely do something with the way you enter and exit MK, it is total chaos when leaving at closing or after the parade/fireworks.
