Originally Posted By Beaumandy Why? You were on here when the libs were gloating that Rove was going down, tht Plame was outed, that Fitzgerad was going to bring the hammer down on those who outed a " top secret " agent. We all saw it, you were part of it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder As I said, no one did. YOU were quoting unnamed "lefties". Cough it up.
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Originally Posted By gadzuux >> didn't charge ANYONE for outing a secret agent. << No - instead he charged the vice president's chief of staff with perjury and obstruction of justice. >> I find it hillarious << Laugh it up.
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Originally Posted By Darkbeer So, is Valerie Plame suing her husband? >>BOB NOVAK, My Leak Case Testimony: 'I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in 'Who's Who in America'... MORE Published reports that I took the Fifth Amendment, made a plea bargain with the prosecutors or was a prosecutorial target were all untrue... MORE... My primary source has not come forward to identify himself... Bill Harlow, the CIA public information officer who was my CIA source for the column confirming Mrs. Wilson's identity. I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in 'Who's Who in America'...<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer And this from today's Wall Street Journal's Political Diary (no link available) >>Valerie Plame and her husband, Joe Wilson, are holding a news conference today to announce a lawsuit against Vice President Dick Cheney, top White House aide Karl Rove and former White House aide Lewis Libby. They charge that the three men engaged in "a conspiracy" to "discredit, punish and seek revenge" against Mr. Wilson for claiming the administration's evidence that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy nuclear material from Niger was inaccurate. But not even all liberals are buying into this latest attempt by Mr. Wilson to keep his story alive. On Wednesday, Lawrence O'Donnell, a former top Democratic Congressional aide and consultant to "The West Wing," appeared on Joe Scarborough's MSNBC show and said it would be "my bet" that there was no intent to harm Valerie Plame by the White House (with the exception of Karl Rove). "The idea was more to get people to simply not believe and adopt the thinking in Joe Wilson's [New York Times] op-ed piece," said Mr. O'Donnell. "It was more a matter of saying -- of using Valerie Plame as a way of putting context around the Wilson mission and saying it wasn't really a worthwhile mission. Ignore its results." He went on to say he thought Karl Rove might have wanted to go after Ms. Plame for sending her husband on a CIA investigative trip to Niger. Mr. Wilson has since been singled out for many inaccuracies in his story by a bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee. Mr. O'Donnell isn't just another bloviating cable TV pundit. At HuffingtonPost.com he first broke the story that Mr. Rove was a target of the special prosecutor's investigation into the Plame affair. If he's right, the lawsuit that will be launched today won't be gaining much traction -- either in court or on the political trail. -- John Fund<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10091" target="_blank">http://www.spectator.org/dsp_a rticle.asp?art_id=10091</a> >>With the filing of a lawsuit against Vice President Cheney, White House political aide Karl Rove and ex-Vice Presidential aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame have finally jumped the shark. With the revelation by columnist Robert Novak that it was neither Rove nor Libby, much less Cheney, who was his primary source for his column mentioning -- in passing no less -- that Wilson's now-famous assignment to Niger was arranged by his CIA-wife, Wilson's entire claim to fame takes a torpedo amidships. The New York Post now reports that Novak's main source was the anti-Iraq War Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a charge that Armitage has thus far not refuted. Why would someone who opposed the invasion of Iraq as did Wilson and his wife rat out Analyst Plame? There is no reason, which is why Armitage is presumably not included in the suit.<<
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Although Novak was the first journalist to publish Plame's name, he was not the only journalist to have Plame's name leaked to him (Matt Cooper and Judith Miller were at least two more). Fitzgerald concluded he could not get convictions (except purjury and obstruction for Libby) based on the very high bar the specific law regarding outing of agents requires, but a civil case claiming "harm" is a much lower bar. If Rove, Cheney, et al were looking to punish Wilson and Plame, what happened with Novak specifically may or may not be relevant, let alone the whole story. Whether or not Rove, Cheney et al meant to harm Wilson and Plame, I have no doubt that Wilson and Plame believe it, hence the lawsuit. Considering the lower bar of proof in a civil lawsuit (and the fact that Paula Jones set the precedent that even a sitting president can be sued even for actions that took place before he took office), this might - or might not - portend bad things for the principals. Wilson and Plame are probably hoping for an O.J. - skated on the criminal charges, convicted in the civil case.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I think they're just hoping for more publicity. They don't have any chance of winning this lawsuit.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Once again, it's about more than "winning". By ruling that their case has merit and allowing it to move forward, the plaintiffs can then go through the process of 'discovery' meaning they can review materials that the secretive bush administration would rather prevent being made public. To bad for them, huh.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I don't see what "publicity" nets them anyway. It's not like they're Brangelina. Love them or loathe them, I think they sincerely believed they were harmed. And "harm" is a much easier thing to show in court; I wouldn't be so sure they have no chance.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I can't wait to see Joe Wilson and his high profile wife Plame get put on the stand to snswer some questions. They will run from this nonsense once they see they are going to have to explain how Joe Wilson got sent to Niger or why he lied in the NY Times about what he found in Niger. Also Dabob, the Plames are soooo harmed by all of this. Now they are left wing rock stars with a multi million dollar book deal. Yep, real tough break for them.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If they were so concerned about being on the stand, they never would have brought the suit.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Dabob, I don't think they will allow this to go to court because they know they will get exposed as the the bad guys here. Joe Wilson is the liar, only him. But, to bring this case keeps them and this issue in the spotlight and theie liberal followers hopeful something will finally happen to Rove and Cheney.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Rove and cheney will try to claim 'executive privilege' or some other weaselly way out. They don't want to get anywhere near a courtroom. And maybe you missed this, but joe wilson and valerie plame are actively pursuing this civil case - they will voluntarily take the stand. They're only too happy to.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy They are not going to take the stand Gadzuux, they what be totally humiliated. They however are keeping the moonbats happy by acting like they are still fighting the good fight.. kinda like OJ is looking for the " real killer ".
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I guess we'll have to see whether they're willing to take the stand or not. At this point, they're pursuing it and are willing to. Unless that changes, you're spouting something based on beliefs rather than facts, Beau.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I know Joe Wilson is a liar and so do you. I know Plame was not undercover and she was not outed otherwise Fitzgerald would have nailed someone. I know Novak has said that there was no revenge going on and that this is a bunch of nothing. I know that Plame and Hubby Joe will never take the stand because they would have to admit some things that they don't want to admit. But lets wait and see............
