Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I hate the fact that its yet another Pixar tie-in. << I honestly don't understand this. Tying an attraction to quality and popularity and successful characters is a bad thing? And then on top of that they are now officially Disney characters.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Crush sucks......lame names like "Mr. Ray," Geez they didn't even try with that one. << I was going to object to this, but your statements are SO over the top that I'm figuring you're being sarcastic here, right? Right?
Originally Posted By crazyformickey I would say back 10 years ago or so Epcot was good but not great. Now next to MK it is my second favorite park and I make sure we do at least 2 days while we are there. Our favorites Test Track and Soarin'. I like Mission Space but it makes me a little sick after. I am happy they are turning the living seas into a Nemo theme, my 3 year old loves Nemo and would be very excited to explore it. There isn't very much for the little ones at Epcot. I will most likely get yelled at this later but I don't understand why everyone is so down on this park. There is nothing in Epcot I wouldn't say I dislike. (I wish they would update SSE a bit) Things are close enough you do not have to walk far to get to any attraction and there are only 3 rides you really need fast pass on. I think Epcot is great
Originally Posted By crazyformickey only 3 rides you really need fast pass on ok you don't need a fast pass but I get to the parks around 10 or so and Soarin is 1-2 hours long in stand-by and test track is at least 1 hour long so I fast pass one and ride the other.
Originally Posted By NJFIREGUY EPCOT is My Favortie Park...I Liked the old rides I like the new ones I understand why they had to change. If I had to say I didnt like something it would be what they did with the Imgination Pavillion...What was that about? for what they did to that pavillion they would have been better off leaving it alone
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney The EPCOT Center of the 80s and most of the 90s featured long, immersive attractions. In FW, all the attractions were in pavillions that might take hours to explore. Whether you like Mission Space, which I do, or Test Track, which I don't, I can't see anyone successfully arguing that they are in any way, shape or form as immersive as the enviornments that were created by WDI for EC. They are just rides. One that's very cool, although it makes some people ill. One that's very, very ordinary.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "I honestly don't understand this. Tying an attraction to quality and popularity and successful characters is a bad thing?" Some Disney diehards can't take the fact that Pixar has been out-Disneying, Disney for the past decade. While I'll be the first to bitch about characters being put all over every park, if you're going to build an attraction around them would you rather build around Nemo or Maggie (she's one of the bovine stars of Home on the Range) or Sully and Boo vs. Chicken Little and Abby Mallard? People need to get over the anti-Pixar sentiment, especially since Lasseter, Catmull and Co are going to save Disney Feature Animation, which is the lifeblood of the company. "And then on top of that they are now officially Disney characters." They actually always have been. Now Pixar will just be a division of TWDC.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 My problem isnt really with Pixar its the Markeeting department that forces imagineers to make new attractions pixar based because they think we are "dumb average americans" and we won't like Disney if it had big original attractions and that we want to go to Disney to get Pixar charecters and Stitch shoved into our faces which would then, in there mind, make us want to buy even more pixar and stitch products because Disney tells us too. That mentality really bothers me. Lasseter save us all please.
Originally Posted By leemac <<In FW, all the attractions were in pavillions that might take hours to explore.>> Dispense with the "all" please. You can spend more time in Mission:SPACE's pavilion than you could in Horizons. Arguably the same with Test Track as the VR games in the old Transcenter is more popular than anything from the WoM post-show. I'd argue that Sea Base Alpha is more popular and relevant now too (and hence longer visiting times albeit due to Turtle Talk lines usually). It is such a myth that FW pavilions are just 2-3 minute experiences now. Heck even Innoventions has managed to become relevant again thanks to such fun and innovative exhibits as Fantastic Plasticworks and my favourite Where's the Fire?
Originally Posted By leemac <<I can't see anyone successfully arguing that they are in any way, shape or form as immersive as the enviornments that were created by WDI for EC.>> That depends on what you call "immersive". It seems most of the grumblers on LP can only equate that with AA-filled Omnimovers. I just don't get all this "Horizons and World of Motion was better" syndrome. WoM was a clone of Spaceship Earth, let's tell the history of automotive engineering. It was a snooze. Some great AAs mainly thanks to Marc Davis' artwork but it was a moving history exhibit. It wasn't relevant at all. Horizons was just an odd show. It didn't fit into the educational remit for EC82 and they still couldn't get it to work. Mission:SPACE tells a compelling story that sucks you in and immerses you in that intergalactic experience. In my mind it is as immerse as Disney have got recently. Soarin' is also a truly immersive environment. Rick Rothschild's movie sucks you in and you forget about the fact you are actually suspended in front of a screen.
Originally Posted By leemac <<My problem isnt really with Pixar its the Markeeting department that forces imagineers to make new attractions pixar based>> Stick to what you really konw Skellington88. The notion that Marketing FORCES WDI to create anything is laughable.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Gosh lee get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning <snicker>. <<Rick Rothschild's movie sucks you in and you forget about the fact you are actually suspended in front of a screen.>> As long as you don't mind seeing dangling feet in front of you or the edges of the screen in front of you. You can only enlarge the picture so much with this technology. My DLP tv and LCD tv at home give better graphic detail. I for one was not all that impressed with the picture quality. I have already written about my disappointment with the screen curviture and the "smells". <spoiler alert> I liked the AAs. I have not ridden on MS but I have waited in the post show area and found it be a cross between Chucky Cheese ( without pizza ) and a video arcade. Complete with cast members enticing you ( I'm being kind here ) into playing some goup video game experience. Give me a break. Would it be asking to much for Disney to create a ride in which the "plot" ( and I use this term loosely) doesn't similate a near death experience? I fail to see whats entertaining about being on a space ship about to crash on Mars. I'll take the Swan boats back please!
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ To be fair I'm not a gamer at all but the Mission:SPACE Race is fun. You should try it, Tom. I like AA attractions too but I think the technology needs to be blended with other forms of technology. I'm just not sure a pure AA Omnimover is the way forward. I look at phenomenal AAs like Stitch, Lucky and the Yeti which are technically the finest pieces of engineering WDI have ever developed but I just wonder whether there is the place for them in a Pirates-style ride anymore. The point of WDI's Living Characters Program is to find a way to bring Disney (and new) characters to life in new ways. Interactivity seems to be the key to the success of projects like Turtle Talk. So perhaps the passive AA experience just isn't as relevant to the average guest any more. I can only surmise this. Updating PotC is IMHO a great movie to increase the relevancy to a new audience.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Now the interactive technology behind Turtle Talk with Crush is incredible! Definately Disney's best. I think my problem here is that I believe Disney needs to maintain human contact here. I get tired of watching TV screens while at WDW. After a while this gets old. I think AA are great technology. Maybe this is why I enjoy IaSW, PotC and SSE so much. Movies and interactive stuff is great but don't over do it.
Originally Posted By mickey_ring It's a little off the trend of this topic, but after all this time, what has prevented the Epcot executives from adding two big Mickey Mouse Ears to SSE? It would look like the world's biggest antenna topper. Thank goodness for a little restraint, I suppose.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <My problem isnt really with Pixar its the Markeeting department that forces imagineers to make new attractions pixar based because they think we are "dumb average americans" and we won't like Disney if it had big original attractions and that we want to go to Disney to get Pixar charecters and Stitch shoved into our faces which would then, in there mind, make us want to buy even more pixar and stitch products because Disney tells us too. That mentality really bothers me. Lasseter save us all please< SO Lassetter who is bringing PIXAR with him is going to save us from PIXAR -- interesting concept ? I don't think we buy PIXAR because we are dumb Americans or because Disney tells us to, it is because the last 10 -12 Years the PIXAR studio movies are head and shoulders above the Disney stuido ones -- they are better movies and better characters -- that doesn't seem hard to understand to me. If the Disney movies would have been better it would have been the better way around. Not sure why the anti-PIXAR slant - as Lassetter himself and more than a few others there are former Disney people... If you want to question why you are buying certain merchandise -- why the push on princesses - to celebrate Cinderella 6 or whatever the latest direct to video movie is ? No it's because they are timeless characters - just as Nemo now is, and Buzz and Woody etc......
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney Lee always gets up on the wrong side of the bed whenever anyone criticizes WDW or WDI. I'll give him the point about Horizons being only one attraction, albeit an immersive 20-minute experience vs. a 3-minute thrill ride that has been a major disappointment. Of course, he didn't mention the fact that WoL (with THREE major attractions, two minors, one shop and one dining location) is sitting in mothballs. Or that the two versions later, Imagination still isn't drawing the crowds the original ride did. Or that the second level of Imagination has been closed to the public for eight years, so that Disney could cut costs and length on Imagination 2.0. Or that Turtle Talk, while fun, is mostly for young children. Or that if he believes immersive (i.e. expensive) AA-filled attractions are yesterday's news why do attractions from Pirates to Mansion to Jungle Cruise to Small World pull in the huge crowds they do? (Yeah, must be nostalgia, not quality). And while I LUV Soarin, perhaps Lee could mention at his next cocktail party to his WDI pals or Al, Brad, or Lee, that the films in the attraction are loaded with planet-sized dustballs, which ruin the attraction. Yes. The Yeti is impressive. Stitch and Lucky too. But the fact is that if WDI honchos like Goodman and Fitzgerald had their way, every attraction built would have no AAs and be a film-type attraction. Mission Space may be fun, for me, but it doesn't transport me anywhere like Horizons did. You enter a giant industrial room and get into a simulator. You go no where. Try spinning it anyway you want, but it isn't the same as dropping into a Pirate battle or traveling in a sub under the seas or journeying back in time to the age of dinosaurs. Even as wonderful as Everest is, you have one quick glimpse of the Yeti. The Living Character program is designed to replace AAs. Period. And though it may be interactive, it is also very passive. You sit in a theater. You go nowhere.
Originally Posted By leemac <<The Living Character program is designed to replace AAs.>> Check your facts. The technology for all three of those AAs were born from the LCP. Lucky is exactly where that technology is going. Living AA characters walking the park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Or that Turtle Talk, while fun, is mostly for young children.>> Tell that to the legions of adults (many of them LP-ers) who love Turtle Talk.
