Originally Posted By vbdad55 The music that was 'banned' from AM airwaves in the late 60's is now selling Cadillacs and shampoo, etc -- go figure
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Like some people can't help their sexuality i.e. hetero/gay, people also can't help what pleases them and one of the main things that a LOT of men I know enjoy is exhibitionism. If it's consensual and legal, it's not only ALRIGHT it's MANDATORY!
Originally Posted By mele I think that the women in Playboy are works of art. They're human beings which makes them art and I think they look beautiful. They are also examples of the art of plastic surgeons, make up artists, hair stylists and photographers. LOL. Yes, the goal is still to titillate but I find the majority of the photos, if not all photos, very tastefully done (especially by comparison). I hope that my daughter doesn't have to take her clothes off to make a living but I wouldn't think she was trash if she did. It *might* be true less now than in the past, but a vast majority of women who are strippers, prostitutes, or even women who have many sexual partners have had abuse in their past and/or come from broken homes, etc. There is usually a very good reason why they find themselves in the places they do. I'd rather not call them trash but wonder why they felt no other options.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I hope that my daughter doesn't have to take her clothes off to make a living but I wouldn't think she was trash if she did.>> Just about none of the women who pose for Playboy do it to make a living. Part of a career choice for some, a thrill for others, but almost never as the goal. <<It *might* be true less now than in the past, but a vast majority of women who are strippers, prostitutes, or even women who have many sexual partners have had abuse in their past and/or come from broken homes, etc.>> Posing for Playboy is pretty removed from dancing, and *very* far removed from prostitution. I am sure women who have been in playboy would be offended to be thought of in the same way.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Mele--My golf partner is 38 and single and hangs out at Zachary's, the only strip club on the cape. I'm married with 2000 clients so I CAN'T go but we go through all the details every time we play and he's there maybe once a week. He knows NO ONE who dances there who was abused and trust me he would find out. He actually dates some women there and they are very classy. Just as you say about the gay stereotypes i.e. gay men are more apt to be child molesters (you are obviously right) also strippers were abused is an obvious stereotype. This stuff is where I live as the NO. 1 porn store on cape is owned by a friend of mine who I've known for decades. You name it about sex, I know it, and most "dancers" were NOT abused. Just an fyi.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe addendum--In the big cities, the ratio of strippers and prior abuse obviously goes up somewhat.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I've hung out in my fair share of strip clubs (I don't gamble, so when i go to Vegas, I go to the clubs.) I would say the vast majority of dancers are in school, and strip because they can make a lot of money quickly. This frees up their time for studying; they only need to work on weekends or whatever, instead of trying to hold a full-time job and a full class schedule.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Thank you trek as people do tend to hang on to stereotypes of ALL different things and not just sexual. On cape we have the dancers in their 30's (unusual) who don't have the school thing, just strictly for the money. There's NO emotional luggage as people think.
Originally Posted By mele Women don't pose for Playboy to earn a living? How is a career choice NOT about earning a living? I don't believe that posing for Playboy is on the same par as dancing or prostituting but there are LOTS of people who do. I was just trying to point that out, and also to point out that instead of disgust and judgement, maybe there are reasons for the choices all these women make other than just being "trash".
Originally Posted By cape cod joe You were going in the right direction Mele but they are to be commended not just "going in the right direction." These are usually women of strength and positive self images who just don't care for the buffoonick and sophomoric ridicule that idiots may bestow upon them. If I were a woman, I don't know if I would have that self confidence. I love the dancers as they are usually educated, intelligent, and of course hot.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Women don't pose for Playboy to earn a living? How is a career choice NOT about earning a living?>> I mean they make it a career choice in the sense that the exposure (no pun intended) or the money will help them get where they want to go. The goal for these women isn't to be a nude model; it's usually something else.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe As I used to say in Dayton, if I was a woman I would be such a slut.
Originally Posted By mele I never said that being a nude model was their goal. I said it was about earning a living. There are thousands, if not millions of women who would love to be in Playboy simply to be able to look as gorgeous as the women in the magazine. Real funny, joe. Only women can be sluts, huh?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I'm as easy as they come except I never get any offers I can't refuse
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>Not being judgmental at all, honestly, just that it just seems wrong for Snow White or Cinderella to be involved with Playboy<< I agree ... it seems a bit of a leap in career/interests! I understand that she's trying to get her profile out there, and making an awful lot of money doing it ... it's just surprising for someone who used to dress up as a Disney princess. I don't think I judge people who pose nude, it just seems weird to think the next time you get a photo with Cinderella that she could be a Playmate of the Year in waiting.
Originally Posted By allygator206 "and you(or anyone) just decided that because she did playboy she was a bad person...well that would be wrong." This is exactly what I was trying to say NJFIREGUY. Passing judgement and making generalizations about a woman for a single action (Such as posing in Playboy) is lower than the action itself. That's just IMHO. And I agree with trekkerus on his points as well. If you are deemed attractive enough for Playboy, chances are pretty darn good you have other modeling projects as well. These women get a magazine or two and that's it. The money is not as good as people think unless you're a centerfold. Most women look at it as a springboard for modeling and acting, regardless of how unrealistic that may seem....
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey I guess I was just raised differently than most of you were. I don't think a woman should be "commended" for appearing naked in Playboy. Sharon Stone did Playboy, and I don't think she's trash, but I don't think posing in Playboy should be considered a highlight of her career. I've seen Playboy, and it's hard for me to call a picture of a woman with her legs spread and a come hither look on her face art, especially when she has large fake breasts. There's nothing wrong with the human body and nudity, but I just think our society is too sexualized to begin with. I'm tired of seeing women (and teenagers) walking around with their thongs hanging out the back of their pants or their breasts hanging out. It's possible to have confidence and take pride in yourself without putting yourself on display. If people think psoing nude in a skin magazine is the pinnacle of self confidence, they couldn't be more wrong. It's actually a cry for attention and validation.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I'll give the attention and validate all day long in the office as I do. My wife just said what you said as a young Brazialian girl came in with the usual "uniform" of thong tag hanging out and real ...hanging out. She had asked me for a job a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately it was an insurance job
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<Just a general question to the guys on this board - if our wife or girlfriend was offered a Playboy spread, would you be upset if she decided to do it?>>> You'll love this answer... If it was my wife, I would be like, "Yeah honey, do it that's awesome!!! If it were my daughter, I'd be like, No way! You should never lower your standards to such filth and trash. You will regret it the rest of your days. Don't do it!
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Oh an dof course my daughter is only 7 but if she were of age, that is what I would say.
