Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I've been going to WDW since '79 and the closest thing I've ever seen to a drinking problem was this past summer when a woman tried to slip a flask past security at EPCOT. This was also the first time I set foot on PI. Now that my four kids are grown and I could try out some of the clubs.......
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Who cares? Epcot is an AWESOME place to drink. I really, in all honesty, don't care who's around when I do it. If I'm having fun and minding my own business, they shouldn't care either.<<< Exactly. Just don't bother them, they have no reason to bother you.
Originally Posted By ExpDave As Disney seems to be so big on building resorts these days, and they built the Boardwalk years ago, why not take it to the next level and build a new resort into this DTD project?
Originally Posted By ExpDave ^ You know that, I know that, but is there any evidence they know that? I'm just saying the way they are building them I'm surprised it isn't part of this project too.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer It's a smart idea, honestly. But they thin k that hotels are the way to go... For now.
Originally Posted By ExpDave Off the original topic, but they of course designed DisneySea years after EPCOT, but imagine what EPCOT might be like if the World Showcase included hotels in each or most of the pavilions, like the Hotel MiraCosta in Tokyo. They could do something like that with the redo of Downtown Disney, but I really do think they have enough hotels now. Still if they insist on building more, I'd rather see them re-use some land rather than build on more of it. Leave some of the land there in its natural state PLEASE!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Off the original topic, but they of course designed DisneySea years after EPCOT, but imagine what EPCOT might be like if the World Showcase included hotels in each or most of the pavilions, like the Hotel MiraCosta in Tokyo. <<<< That was the plan in 1994 for WESTCot...when DL thought that it was getting that, instead of DCA. The concept is pretty amazing, I agree.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom It would not be a good idea to incorporate a resort into the plans for DTD. WDW already has plenty of resorts already ( some still unfinished). Not to mention WDW big ticket item isn't resorts or parks, it's time shares. While the parks and DTD are stagnating the mouse continues to build DVCs like crazy. In fact the only thing holding back the building boom for DVC is the fact that banks are less likely to loan anyone money right now. No Disney needs to do something unique and family oriented with PI. Harley Davidson shops just don't have the draw they use to anymore.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Also people seem to "dwell" on the Disney resorts around the parks. But please don't forget that there are 8 hotels in DTD all on property and all within a 10 minute walk from the shops. Not to mention SSR which has hundreds of rooms just accross the lake from DTD.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Harley Davidson shops just don't have the draw they use to anymore.> Right? How long can the themed shop concept last in an economy like this? Warner Bros. Studio Store could not hang on in the 'go-go' 90s -- is the Harley Davidson store still alive at GardenWalk?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Who cares? Epcot is an AWESOME place to drink. I really, in all honesty, don't care who's around when I do it. If I'm having fun and minding my own business, they shouldn't care either. ----------------- unfortunately a lot of people have that same attitude- not giving a crap about those around them-- the difference is you mind your own business, many do not - when others intrude on my families space in an obnoxious way, then it becomes my business so who cares- I do ! and so do many others
Originally Posted By vbdad55 again, to be perfectly clear- you or anyone wants to get poo-faced, but don't bother others, that's your business. BUT, the problem is most people who drink a lot lose their sense of perspective on their own behavior --and by the jammed nature of the parking lots on weekend nights in it's hey day- many were driving - a whole other issue and geez, with the price of drinks, it's a small fortune to get hammered at WDW
Originally Posted By sjhym333 "Right? How long can the themed shop concept last in an economy like this? Warner Bros. Studio Store could not hang on in the 'go-go' 90s -- is the Harley Davidson store still alive at GardenWalk?" I miss the Warner Bros Stores. But I think you're right. Themed shops as well as specialty shops seem to be having a difficult time. Look at the many empty store fronts in the mall.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 Personally I don't think the issue with themed stores is the economy. I think it is a matter of saturation and product offering. When the very same "themed" store is in every cute touristy shopping mall on the planet, it loses some punch. Big biz carbon copies EVERYTHING that works in an effort to save money while grabbing ours. Self inflicted destruction ensues. We want unique stores with unique merchandise. And it won't be easy to win back the consumer's trust. We are so used to the same crap in the same lame stores, that we won't be easy to lure in to browse even if you do cough up something decent.
Originally Posted By ExpDave ^ ABSOLUTELY! It's not just the same stores everywhere, but at Disney it's the same merchandise in shops throughout the property. The same stores everywhere is a big reason I strongly support locally owned stores. You are much more likely unique merchandise and merchandise appropriate to the location in locally owned stores. I could go on about local biz but it's off topic to a WDW forum.
Originally Posted By ExpDave Why is it that developers, retailers, etc. (including Disney) don't seem to understand saturation and they keep offering the same thing over and over until it's too late, they've built WAY too much and their business collapses?
