Originally Posted By Boardwalkbum >>"A Salute to All Firebirds, but Mostly the Phoenix"<< I laughed out loud when I read THAT.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer "I think Adventureland makes sense for Tink. Think about the Peter Pan movie - it's full of tropical adventure (and pirates)" -@DisneyParksJenn, from the blog, on Twitter, to me, about Tink having a PERMANENT home in the AdvL Veranda. What about a AC club in there?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> "I think Adventureland makes sense for Tink. Think about the Peter Pan movie - it's full of tropical adventure (and pirates)" -@DisneyParksJenn, from the blog, on Twitter, to me, about Tink having a PERMANENT home in the AdvL Veranda. << With an argument like that, I imagine virtually anything can be thematically justified. For example, "A space port is still a fantasy, for all intents and purposes. So Space Mountain thematically fits into Fantasyland." Whatever. Then again, I'm to the point where I wouldn't even care if they messed up the themes if they'd just aim to exceed guest expectations. But something tells me Tink in Adventureland isn't going to be that breakthrough attraction I'm looking for.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt >> "I think Adventureland makes sense for Tink. Think about the Peter Pan movie - it's full of tropical adventure (and pirates)"<< "With an argument like that, I imagine virtually anything can be thematically justified." Captain Hook's pirate ship at DLP in Adventureland. It and the surrounding actually look pretty cool.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Captain Hook's pirate ship at DLP in Adventureland. It and the surrounding actually look pretty cool.>> See...I'm find with that. It's pirates it fits. The fairies don't fit. Just because pirates exist in their universe doesn't mean that they belong in Adventureland.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Maybe part of the problem is that for so long (since the DL TV show in the 50s) Tink has been associated with Disney castles and Fantasyland. The story of Peter Pan was, well, full of adventure, and could fit Adventureland if done correctly (ie: Adventureland in Paris). However, just tossing them in a vacant dressed up Polynesian themed restaurant for a meet and greet would be pretty lame. By the way, Hook's ship at DLP is near a transition point between Adventureland and Fantasyland meet. In the area where the ship resides Pirates of The Caribbean and Peter Pan's Fight are sort of interconnected.
Originally Posted By dshyates Ok, as a Disney fanboi I am in a quandary, how do I acknowledge that bringing backs effects and themeing is great, while never acknowledging that Disney was less than perfect when these effects and themeing elements were cut? Ok, I think I got it. I was there last week and had a great time, didn't even notice the lack of effects. It was perfect. But bringing them back will only make it more perfect.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Maybe part of the problem is that for so long (since the DL TV show in the 50s) Tink has been associated with Disney castles and Fantasyland. The story of Peter Pan was, well, full of adventure, and could fit Adventureland if done correctly (ie: Adventureland in Paris). However, just tossing them in a vacant dressed up Polynesian themed restaurant for a meet and greet would be pretty lame.>> Right, but Pan and his characters have always been represented in Fantasyland in DL and MK.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>With an argument like that, I imagine virtually anything can be thematically justified. For example, "A space port is still a fantasy, for all intents and purposes. So Space Mountain thematically fits into Fantasyland." Whatever. Then again, I'm to the point where I wouldn't even care if they messed up the themes if they'd just aim to exceed guest expectations. But something tells me Tink in Adventureland isn't going to be that breakthrough attraction I'm looking for.<<< Exactly. It's ridiculous, foolish, and stopgap. And of course, they think that we will believe it. Adventureland is rooted in indigenous culture, imperial exploration, and nature. This just makes no sense, there. At least they are well hidden, and out of Future World.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<Adventureland is rooted in indigenous culture, imperial exploration, and nature. This just makes no sense, there. >> I think there is still an element of "fantasy" at Adventureland, even though not in the meaning of Fantasyland. To me it is more the land of exotic locations as shown in adventure novels and adventure films. Not really realistic, still a romanticised version of the real places. That's the difference to the lands in AK. And that's why Pater Pan in itself fits into it somehow - it is a children's book version of the popular genre of the adventure novel. But besides the adventure theme it also has a pure fantasy theme in it - and Tinker Bell is part of that fantasy theme in Peter Pan. That's why the way it is done at DLP make sense: Have Captain Hook's ship in Adventureland, but the ride itself in Fantasyland - it makes for a fantastic transition. And of course the fairies then belong only to the Fantasyland side as well.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>. I think there is still an element of "fantasy" at Adventureland, even though not in the meaning of Fantasyland. To me it is more the land of exotic locations as shown in adventure novels and adventure films. Not really realistic, still a romanticised version of the real places. That's the difference to the lands in AK. And that's why Pater Pan in itself fits into it somehow - it is a children's book version of the popular genre of the adventure novel. But besides the adventure theme it also has a pure fantasy theme in it - and Tinker Bell is part of that fantasy theme in Peter Pan. That's why the way it is done at DLP make sense: Have Captain Hook's ship in Adventureland, but the ride itself in Fantasyland - it makes for a fantastic transition. And of course the fairies then belong only to the Fantasyland side as well<<< Right, but EVERY land in the MK has fantasy... it's the -Magic- Kingdom. But I took that to mean that it's magical that you are seeing it, and that it's here, not to mean that it's all infused with pixie dust. I mean, what's "magic" on Main Street. And yes, that's how DLP works, but WDW is much more serious. It's hyper realism and environment. It's lived in. Everything there, save for the Tiki Room is rooted in what real people do. The pixies go against that.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I guess you could make the case for "appropriate magic." Main Street has the "magic" of a nostalgic stroll down a turn of the century street. There's even a song they play on Main Street-- "Summer Magic." It describes a lovely evening when everything is lovely and dream-like.
Originally Posted By DlandDug (And I agree that pixies are not appropriate in Adventureland. Tikis and tiki gods are appropriate magic there.)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^ Exactly. Things need to be apropos for the area. Blatant fantasy, for any land, but Fantasy;and doesn't work. Save for Tomorrowland, but that hinges on aesthetics. Space flight as seen in Space Mountain IS fantasy... but it's a different breed of it.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN There is no fantasy at the MK. Just mismatched themes that are dated and have no charm...which is what makes the other Disneyland parks a cut above and better option to visit. This is where the old "you get what you pay for" perspective applies.. Then again a 1-day ticket at TDL is cheaper than a 1-day pass at the MK, yet TDL gives you so much more. Lucky for WDW management, 99.2% of the guests do not know anything about Disney parks around the world.
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Originally Posted By Scutr That was uncalled for. His ax-grinding against WDW may get on your nerves (it's starting to get on mine) but that sort of nasty reaction is unnecessary.
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations ^^^ it's constant (and boring). Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade...
Originally Posted By leobloom Let's hold hands and sing, "When you wish upon a Disney toilet!" Wouldn't that make you feel magical, 3d?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>There is no fantasy at the MK.<< Although I am not at all happy with the direction this park has gone in recent years, I find this statement unsupportable. Does this mean that the Haunted Mansion or Splash Mountain or it's a small world at the MK are not fantasies?
