Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> That's not what I have been trying to say, I don't think they would even work in DLP's Adventureland. You can't have Tinker Bell meet and greets on Captain Hook's ship in my opinion - different aspects of the same story... That's why the ride at DLP is in Fantasyland as well, it is just the transition. And the fairies belong even further into Fantasyland... Sorry for making this even more difficult... I guess I should just have agreed with your first post on this subject, but then this thing here is called a discussion board..<<< Bolna, never agree with me if it means good conversation. I understand what you mean, though. Hook's ship wouldn't work, but I do think that the tone is right IF they add in some fantasy. Like the lagoon. Or the Lost Boys Tree. Or something. But not the way it's done, now, we both agree there.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And guys, let TDLFan talk if he wants to. I agree with his sentiments, and the tone in which it's conveyed is a little extreme at time, yes, but that's his prerogative. I have immense respect for someone with a commanding tone. ...and I'd hope you'd all follow the same line of thought with me if I spoke strongly about something, which I think I do, from time to time.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 " Much like how I haven't been to Universal Studios (and don't plan on doing so anytime soon" Why not? You are missing out on a great day out!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "TDL Fans are the antithesis of WDW fans at this point. TDR seems to be doing most things right. WDW, not so much." I'm sure that it is, however when I look at the online images of the spotlessly maintained, but completely dated and tired TDL Magic Kingdom, I feel like the haughty condemnations of other Disney resorts are mostly biased. TDLR is a great place, but it is not perfect and I wish people would stop acting like it is. "because they have a reason to be THATS WHY." No they don't, and please don't yell. We're talking about theme parks here, not political policy making. TDLR is amazing (yes, I've been there and seen it), however can't we make comparisons and discuss TDL vs WDW without all the attitude? "And guys, let TDLFan talk if he wants to." Let's be clear: no one is suggesting that people stop talking. I'm expressing my frustration with a certain tone and attitude. My apologies if what I said came across as "shut up".
Originally Posted By leobloom Apparently the Swedish Chef in Muppetvision has been broken for weeks, maybe months. That's WDW show-quality for ya. Do you think if this was in TDL that the show would be running like that?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Apparently the Swedish Chef in Muppetvision has been broken for weeks, maybe months.>> I know it's not months. He was working two weeks ago when I was there.
Originally Posted By leobloom Must be on and off for months. It seems it's been at least a week, now.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Do you think if this was in TDL that the show would be running like that?" Maybe, who knows. Things break there too. Obviously TDLR maintains better show quality than WDW does, but we don't need to be constantly reminded of it to know that WDW ought to do better. You're sort of preaching to the choir here.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Some can be a bit much to handle, I agree. (I feel the same about Disneylanders as well sometimes)" I've noticed that. As a Disneylander I certainly hope I've never come across that way.
Originally Posted By Scutr >> I certainly hope I've never come across that way.<< Not as much as some, and MUCH less than a couple others. Really, though, do we have to fracture ourselves into sub-groups now? "TDL'ers" over THERE(points left)....."DL'ers" over THERE(points right)...."WDW'ers" over HERE. Now everybody glare at the other groups and get your spitballs ready... Ridiculous
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Nope. Most are pretty good here. MiceChat is different. The funny thing is I agree with them the majority of the time. But I can't help but get annoyed with the holier then thou attitude.
Originally Posted By leobloom "Do you think if this was in TDL that the show would be running like that?" >> Maybe, who knows. Things break there too. << I said that for your benefit. But WDW is poorly operated for my money, which is one of the reasons why I don't spend much money there to begin with.
Originally Posted By GOB >>Why not? You are missing out on a great day out!<< I thought about this for a while, and I don't really think I have a satisfying answer. If I was on a solo trip, I would definitely check out Universal Orlando. My family has no interest in going, and our vacations are generally based on what our family wants to do. When we're in Central Florida, we stay only for Disney. (Which is not to say that WDW has been our vacations.) I guess the best way to phrase it is that we have other places we'd rather visit first before we take a family trip to see CenFlo's other area attractions. We usually stay six days at Disney (which is enough to see and do everything we want to do)and don't really leave the property. After this year, we're probably not heading back to WDW for some time, as we want to do a California road trip, go to Boston, maybe the Caribbean, Seattle, or maybe even Hong Kong. In essence, we're not avoiding Uni because we snort Pixie Dust, but rather because we're not too interested at this point in time.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I forget that in the US, people only get two weeks holidays per year. I COULD NOT handle THAT!!! On both my trips to America, people were amazed when I told them I was there for seven weeks each(not inlcuding time at home before returning to work).
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I think there's a lot of that on the internet and in society, DD. Everything is about "ME ME ME" these days. We are a self centered group of people.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I forget that in the US, people only get two weeks holidays per year." Mostly it depends on tenure and the type of work. I have five weeks at my current job, plus sick time and holidays. Add it up and it's pretty close to seven weeks.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I have five weeks myself, plus add in that I don't work Monday's, it's not a bad gig.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN To 3DisneyLocations.. You said >>>That's a bet you would lose... I've been to TDL early on in the mid 80's (they were just starting to build Big Thunder (or Splash Mountian-we were on the train and everything was in Nippon), Casey's Corner was serving FATTY hotdogs, other places were serving burgers and nacho's just like the MK @ WDW. In fact, the entire TDL looked an awful lot like the "stale" MK except for the over large bright green theme busting exit signs in their dark ride attractions. If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese requested a MK like FL to be built on their reclaimed land, just like that "stale" MK in Fl. Gonna go get me a California Roll in Japan @ Epcot (maybe a Kirren to wash it down).<<< That's fine. I can respect your opinion on this..but I think it's time for you to re-visit Tokyo Disney Resort. Much has changed since the mid 80s. FYI.. I have been visiting TDL monthly since 1989, and as a former WDW CM and current FL resident, I have been visiting WDW monthly since 1972. Furthermore.. I am a premium WDW/DL platinum APer, have been visiting DLP since it first opened (and have been APer there as well, currently hold a premium Ap to TDR and and Gold Magic Access Pass to HKDL as well.) You could call me "5Disneylocations" if you will...LOL. I am not just a smug TDL fan as you mentioned before. I AM FIRST AND FOREMOST A DISNEY THEME PARK FAN, and as such, I am quite familiar with what goes on at all of the resorts, and I am also familiar about the shortcomings and superior qualities they all have, and as a former CM, I *know* what Disney expected of us "on stage" and for "show", and now as a guest, I expect the same level of quality when I visit. Sadly.. when you compare all five resorts in many categories.. TDR comes out on top and WDW consistently rates below, even if it is still a nice Disney experience. (Remember it was not me beginning this topic and I am not the only one who feels this way). But to answer your reply.. much has changed at TDR since your visit.. and I think it's time for you to go back and see how that stale copy of the MK has evolved into an excellent Disneyland park, with the undisputed BEST 2nd GATE park ever built by Disney: Tokyo DisneySea... where not only can I eat fatty hamburgers or corndogs.. but also mexican, japanese, chinese, italian, and other american fare, surrounding by the best themed atmospheres Disney money can buy you. If we Tokyo fans appear arrogant, is because we see the same arrogance among the WDW management in regards to WDW and the frustration we feel is that in reality...WDW could be a much better place. The same way TDL was a stale park back in the 80s, the MK is to this day. That desire to make WDW resort the best it can be is what drives our input here because we *know* a lot of Disney management CMs read these boards, and this is how we can pass the word on our feelings. I feel I can do so because I am no longer employed at Disney, but since I pay yearly for APs, food and souvenirs on their property, the fact that I am a "disney consumer" affords me a little credibility on my opinions. Trust me.. I *respect* your opinion as well. It is not my intention to put you down if you are a fanatic of WDW's product. I love WDW as well but there is a lot of room for improvement. I am not blind to that. What I am having a little confusion understanding is why my opinion on WDW bother you so much. I don't quite understand why do you have to take my opinions about WDW on such a personal level to the point of turning it around into a personal attack? Unless you are a member of that same inept WDW management team I am complaining about.. you simply have to reason to feel attacked by my opinions on the current state of affairs at WDW. So I challenge you to come clean about that. Considering you attacked me, I think I deserve to know what's in it for you to be so defensive. I don't intend to spend my days and nights here arguing with you about this. As I said before, I respect your opinion, and i would hope you give me the same courtesy, even if we don't agree. But let other posters opinions be re-emphasized as well:
Originally Posted By TDLFAN HokieSkipper said... >>>Except that now, TDL far exceeds anything WDW can even dream of in service, cleanliness, food, etc.<<< GOB said... >>> I've only visited DL and WDW thus far, and everything I've read about Tokyo points to one thing- it is operated much better than the stateside parks. <<< HMButler79 said...While quoting another poster... >>>""God, I am so tired of the smug superiority of some TDL fans."" because they have a reason to be THATS WHY.<<< The MK park and WDW needs so much help.. we real Disney parks fans are desperate to force management to improve the WDW quality they have lost in the past 15 yrs. If that makes us smug or arrogant.. oh well... SO BE IT. But, there is nothing wrong if someone chooses to be a Disney apologist either.. except that quality will continue to slip if we don't hold management at Disney accountable. >>>
