Originally Posted By FerretAfros Part of what makes the ballroom so neat is that you can see the depth as you move along the length of the room. You see a very different angle on the ghosts from one end to the other, and I think that would be lost if it were projected. Since the Nemo scenes are fairly small, you basically only see it from one angle, so the projections are more effective. This is clearly illustrated in the DL Nemo subs, where you only see each portion of a set for a few moments. If the ballroom was only seen from one angle, the projections would work just fine, but since they are exposed from so many angles, it would be much more difficult to do.
Originally Posted By mapleservo I think FerretAfros makes a good point as well. But how about enhancing the existing stuff with CG? They kind of do that with the bride, don't they? And I think the big advantage of CG (if they took advantage of it) is they could possibly randomize some elements so you had some variation each time you ride. Pretty happy with what we go though.
Originally Posted By The Duck Any use of CGI should be restricted to an enhancement or a special effect. I would hate to see it used as a replacement to the existing attractions.
Originally Posted By Brian55nh I think Hokie Skipper brings up an interesting point - I've always thought that the figures in the ballroom are audio-animatronics. But are they actually more to be considered mechanical figures like the Jungle Cruise animals? Are the only true A-As to be found in the graveyard?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Some of them in the Ballroom are AAs, however, the dancers are not AAs. They are static figures on a rotating mechanism.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...plus it could look exactly the same....< How? Technically, how does a projector throw a 3D image out into space? Y'know, like R2D2 put the little image of Princess Leia saying "help my Obiwan Kenobi - you're my only hope!"? It's just not possible. The current 3D projectors put the image on a special screen, and then it's up to the human eyes (with help from polarizing screens) to fill out the 3D image. This is just not possible in a 3D space like the ballroom.
Originally Posted By MPierce The dancing images have a ghostly quality about them. Do we really want to change that effect?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> It's so realistic. And its 40 years old. Amazing. << I think it's perfect for the attraction. I think this effect needs to stay as is.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I think the ride should be plussed as it was in 2007.... In synch with the look, feel, and story of the ride. Hopefully Del Torro's movie follows that. As does the inevitable addition of our friend, Hatty, the Hat Box Ghost.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Although I'm against adding CGI ghosts to the ballroom, it IS possible to project an image via Pepper's Ghost effect and it appears to be in 3-D (without glasses). In fact, Disney once did it in another attraction that utilized the Pepper's Ghost trick quite effectively. Astuter Computer Revue/EPCOT Computer Central utilized this technique where it projected a video image of the host/hostess walking on top of the computer consoles below. After reconsidering it a bit, I may be in favor of some minor CGI effects ENHANCING the ballroom, but not replacing the actual ghostly figures already there. Otherwise, I would be against replacing the mechanical ghosts with CGI.
Originally Posted By macnak81 I finally had the chance to ride the 'upped' Hm in WDW. I think the additions were great. Really liked the details in the stairways and attic. the CGI wasn't overwhelming. I did wonder if the hands reaching out of the hallway doorways were removed,I didn't see any of them.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 The MK has LOADS of problems ... so many created by over a Decade of Decline and awful management making bad decisions. The Mansion is damn near perfect right now. One of the only aspects of the park I can say that about. It needs nothing. Nothing at all. Including the fanboi chasing Hatbox Ghost.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Thank you, Spirit! I totally agree. HM is the one place in WDW that doesn't "plussing" at the moment.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Astuter Computer Revue/EPCOT Computer Central utilized this technique where it projected a video image of the host/hostess walking on top of the computer consoles below.< Yes, that was an excellent use of both projection and the Pepper's Ghost technique. I saw the show once, and really enjoyed it. But the thing to remember is that the figures in that show were totally flat 2D images, NOT 3D. That technology, while great for that show, would not fill up the HM ballroom with dancers, or place ghosts around the dining table, or move them in through the broken window in an endless stream.
Originally Posted By Brian55nh Macnak81 - there were indeed hands seen protruding from behind one of the doors (the last one just before the grandfather clock)before the changes were instituted. I seem to remember someone posting that they still were there just after the HM reopened but then were removed not long afterward for some reason. (BTW DL never featured these hands on their equivalent door.)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>It needs nothing. Nothing at all. Including the fanboi chasing Hatbox Ghost.<<< Need? No. It doesn't. But...it would be nice. (If done in the proper way...)
