Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Again with the attacks. I'm NOT clueless. I know all about this." Doubtful. "You are ignorant and clueless about what I know." Much like woody, coming from you, I'll wear that badge proudly.
Originally Posted By mele Then if you fully support it, don't get upset when people oppose it. You can't do one and not expect the other.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And josh, what about my point that the Mormon church is mounting a huge personal attack on gadzuux? You see nothing wrong with that???
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Thankfully, your church is wasting all that money as the amendment is on its way to being voted down.> I never see the polls on this in NY: is this amendment really trailing in the polls in CA? Do you really think it will be voted down, or was that just a guess?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <And yet, when Road Trip makes insulting, leering comments about Palin in another thread, your response is "You GO Trippy!" They teach you that in church, Josh, or is that all on your own? How dare you lecture ANYone.> You are right, that was a mistake. I shouldn't have supported is leering statements and talk of bulging. But I do support the rest of his thoughts.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "You guys are filled with hate toward me." I don't see that. I see disdain for some of your church's ideologies, but that doesn't mean anybody hates you.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You guys are filled with hate toward me." And THIS is my point. You DON'T get it. It's your church, not you.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Josh can arguably leave the Mormon church whenever he decides, whereas gad will forever be gay because that's who he is, that's the way he was born." What about this statement, josh? Is it not true?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan <--- Heathen.<< Yeah, you're the heathen alright. You don't talk about the horrors of war one minute while foot-stomping and cheering for more of it the next. Heathen is right.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I never see the polls on this in NY: is this amendment really trailing in the polls in CA? Do you really think it will be voted down, or was that just a guess?" I don't have a link handy, but the last I read, the polls had the amendment losing by about nine points.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Cool! Thanks, SPP. If California essentially votes in gay marriage (by not voting it out when they had the opportunity), that SHOULD (but probably won't) shut up the people who claim it's never won a "vote of the people." Plus if the state that is home to 1 in 9 Americans has equal marriage, and some of those couples move to other states and suddenly "aren't married" any more... pretty soon it's going to be just like the interracial marriage patchwork we had that SCOTUS eventually said was untenable.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 As you know, I grew up in California, and I will be very proud of my home state indeed if they vote this thing down.
Originally Posted By utahjosh "Josh can arguably leave the Mormon church whenever he decides, whereas gad will forever be gay because that's who he is, that's the way he was born." <What about this statement, josh? Is it not true?> Of course, I can leave the LDS church anytime. I'm never going to, based on my spiritual experiences and my studies. About gad being forever gay and born that way and never able to change, I do not know gad well enough to say. We're getting into a big different subject here, but you get my opinion on the topic anyway. I do believe that some people are gay because they are born with same-sex attraction. I believe many choose that lifestyle for a number of reasons. Whether or not someone is born with it or chooses it, I do not support homosexual activity. Everyone is born with challenges of one sort or another. That's what it is to me. I have several gay friends, believe it or not. Some are member of my church, some aren't.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder From an interesting source, no less: <a href="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080828/poll-california-voters-oppose-ban-on-gay-marriage-split-on-attitude.htm" target="_blank">http://www.christianpost.com/a...tude.htm</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm going to leave post 55 alone. It unfortunately speaks for itself.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Let me say it differently. I KNOW gay people who have chosen that lifestyle. To fit in. I've even talked about it with them.
