Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I think there is only one poll showing McCain with a lead right now. The news media is playing this up because they want a horse race and high ratings on their news shows. They'll talk up the angle on whoever is the underdog at the moment. They did the exact same thing when Obama was behind in the polls to Clinton.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>The news media is playing this up because they want a horse race and high ratings on their news shows. They'll talk up the angle on whoever is the underdog at the moment. They did the exact same thing when Obama was behind in the polls to Clinton.<< Yup. National polls mean nothing. It's electoral votes that matter. Statewide races have tightened as well, no question. And they may continue to do so. But right now Obama has a healthy lead in electoral votes based on state polls.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Of course, Sen Kerry had a bigger electoral lead at this point 4 years ago.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<1 in 5 Clinton supporters to vote for McCain>> Such splintering of party unity would be lethal for the Democrats -- if, that is, everyone who voted for Bush last election feels so good about his subsequent performance that they will enthusiastically vote Republican again this year.
Originally Posted By jdub <<<...some Clinton supporters don't seem to be making informed decisions.>>> True, but the word "Clinton" in that statement could be replaced with the name of any other candidate or issue, ever, and would STILL be true.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>But right now Obama has a healthy lead in electoral votes based on state polls.<< HUH???? As of Friday, August 22nd <a href="http://northdenvernews.com/content/view/1440/2/" target="_blank">http://northdenvernews.com/con.../1440/2/</a> >>Rassmussen reports on changes in McCain-Obama presidential race: The latest wave of state-by-state polling, market data and national trends have pushed the Rasmussen Reports' Electoral College projections as close as our daily Presidential Tracking Poll. The latest numbers from the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator show Obama leading in states with 193 Electoral College votes and McCain ahead in states with 183 Electoral College votes. Previously, Obama had enjoyed a 210–165 advantage. Currently, states with 135 Electoral College votes are leaning slightly in one way or the other, and three states with a total of 27 votes -- Colorado, Nevada and Virginia -- are pure toss-ups. The biggest changes came in Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Colorado and Oregon. Ohio—with 20 Electoral College votes--moved from Toss-up to Leans Republican following the second straight Rasmussen Reports telephone survey that showed McCain with a modest lead over Obama. North Carolina—with 15 Electoral College votes—moved from Leans Republican to Likely Republican. This change was based on the latest Rasmussen Reports polling and changes in the RasmussenMarkets.com data. Wisconsin—with 10 Electoral College votes—moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic. That move was prompted by the latest Rasmussen Reports polling which shows McCain closing to within four percentage points of Obama. Colorado—with 9 Electoral College votes--moved from Leans Democratic to Toss-Up, based primarily upon the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in which McCain holds a statistically insignificant two-point lead over Obama. Oregon—with 7 Electoral College votes—moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic. While the latest Rasmussen Reports polling shows Obama with a 10-point lead, the average of other polls and a national trends adjustment places the state in the leaner category. South Dakota—with 3 Electoral College votes--shifted from Leans Republican to Likely Republican based upon Rasmussen Markets data and a national trends adjustment. Other states had more minor changes: Connecticut from Safely Democratic to Likely Democratic, Louisiana from Likely Republican to Safely Republican, Maine from Safely Democratic to Likely Democratic, and Tennessee from Likely Republican to Safely Republican. This Balance of Power Calculator aggregates data from a variety of sources to provide a comprehensive assessment of the state-by-state race for the White House. Data inputs include the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in a state, an average of the latest polling from other firms (the “538 Average”), Rasmussen Markets data, Intrade market data, the aggregated rankings of selected analysts, the state’s voting history and national trends. As a practical matter, all of the state-by-state changes are driven by the changes seen nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. In early and mid-June, Obama consistently enjoyed a lead in the five-percentage point range. That has disappeared, with the two contenders now generally within a point or two of each other. The state polls are not conducted as frequently but typically follow the national trend.<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080826200836.wzrloiix&show_article=1" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.com/artic...rticle=1</a> >>Despite the calls for a unified front heading into November's presidential election, it is clear that some of Clinton's supporters will never be able to forgive Barack Obama for his hard-fought victory. "We're here to say thank you to Hillary and to protest the fraud perpetrated on us by the Democratic National Committee," said Geoff Clunas, 51, of Seattle. "It wasn't a contest, it was a foregone conclusion. They (the DNC leadership) just decided that Barack Obama was going to win." Clunas, a life-long Democrat, said he would boycott this year's election because of the perceived unfairness of Clinton's defeat. "It's going to be the first time since 1976 that I haven't voted. I just don't trust Obama. I think he'll do more harm than good." Laurie Long, a 49-year-old human resources director for a Los Angeles non-profit organization, said she felt betrayed by the leadership of the Democratic Party and did not trust Obama. "We're here to tell the Democratic leadership that it's not okay to ignore 18 million voices," Long told AFP, referring to the tally of votes accumulated by Clinton in the primary battle. Long said she had doubts about Obama's background and said she now planned to vote for Republican candidate John McCain in the election. "I don't trust Obama. He flip-flops all the time. We don't know anything about his past. How do we know he's not some kind of militant? I'm voting for McCain," Long said. Andrea Biggs, a 19-year-old student from Seattle, expressed similar sentiments but said she was still undecided about who to vote for. "There's a lot of us who feel pissed and angry at the party for the way Hillary was treated. There was a lot of sexism in the media and the whole process seemed rigged against her," Biggs said. "At the moment I don't know who I am voting for. I want to be able to forgive Barack Obama, but what happened to Hillary bugs me. I don't know though that I could bring myself to vote for a Republican," she added. <<
Originally Posted By mawnck Darkbeer, are you going to post a link to a story about EVERY SINGLE ONE of these crazies?
Originally Posted By gadzuux How about a post telling us what YOU think? Do you think that hillary got a "raw deal"? Do you think the primaries were rigged and a "forgone conclusion"? Do you even care whether hillary won or lost? I'm guessing no - but that seeing these reports of discontented dems brings you some kind of secret thrill - that maybe they dems will blow it and maybe we'll have President McCain after all, and maybe he'll fix everything. Somehow. But hey - at least that would mean the GOP avoids any accountability for another four years. And that alone is reason enough to undermine Obama, even though you don't really have any faith in your own candidate. See? It's easy to extrapolate and come up with all kinds of theories about your beliefs in the absence of any input from you.
Originally Posted By mawnck From an article about the 1000 pro-Clinton protesters marching through Denver today: >>But despite the pockets of rancor amongst the Clinton fanatics here Tuesday, many said that they would swing firmly behind Obama in time for the election. "I was unhappy and upset that she lost, but I'm going to be voting for Obama in November," said Carol White, 68. "He's a brilliant leader and we have to have unity in the party to win the election." Meanwhile two 20-year-old convention delegates from Michigan -- a key state won by Clinton whose votes were initially excluded from the primary race -- said Obama would have their support. "I'm disappointed, hurt and angry about Hillary, but I'm not deluded," said Brandon Hayes. "Four more years of a Bush presidency under McCain would be a disaster for our country." Hayes fellow delegate Kelly Bernero chimed: "We're not going to shoot ourselves in the foot in November. Hillary rocks but any true Democrat will vote for Obama."<< <a href="http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBVZuDC6NTFcOMGz5wbSM6BoNe4g" target="_blank">http://afp.google.com/article/...M6BoNe4g</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "How about a post telling us what YOU think? Do you think that hillary got a "raw deal"? Do you think the primaries were rigged and a "forgone conclusion"?" Oh please. Original thought? Darkbeer? I still say he's got her picture over his bed.
Originally Posted By woody >>are you going to post a link to a story about EVERY SINGLE ONE of these crazies?<< The implosion is just beginning. NO UNITY. LOL!!!
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Originally Posted By mawnck >>What is your take on the situation of the past four years, by the way? Are you pleased with the results?<< Anything bad that's ever happened to woody has been the liberals' fault. Every. Single. Thing. Anything bad that's ever happened to anybody besides woody is totally beside the point, and is probably their own fault.
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Originally Posted By Mr X ***You don't have the moral authority to make this statement.*** I just did. ***You said "crazies" to describe the Hillary voters.*** *I* said that? Geez, Woodman, you can't even keep up with who you're arguing with!
Originally Posted By woody >>Geez, Woodman, you can't even keep up with who you're arguing with!<< Okay, I was typing too fast. I'll take it back with you.
Originally Posted By mawnck <a href="http://www.denvermud.com/phooey" target="_blank">http://www.denvermud.com/phooey</a> >>DENVER | Hillary supporters continue to resist efforts of the Democratic party and their erstwhile leader to unite them behind the presidential bid of Barack Obama. "Nobody is going to dissuade me from supporting Hillary Clinton, not even Hillary Clinton," said Bertha Snood, a lumberjack from Portland, Oregon who drove to Denver just to be on TV. "It was the Democratic leadership that anointed Obama the nominee, not the voters. We got slightly less votes than Obama did, and if that's good enough to put George Bush in the White House, it ought to be good enough for my party as well." When asked about McCain's staunch pro-life platform, Ms. Snood said "oh, now, that nice man wouldn't be like that, would he? He was a POW." PUMA spokesperson Fannie Mae Butler declared her distaste for the music that was selected for the opening montage. "All those guitars -- obviously picked by the fat cat men in the smoke-filled rooms. Very unladylike and, at the same time, emasculating. And who was that squeaky-voice narrator on that thing? I don't know who I'm going to vote for, but it'll sure not be that Osama Obama Pajama ... what's his name again?" Meanwhile, Fox News analyst Hermann Goering pointed out the obvious distaste that ran as an undercurrent throughout Hillary's speech. "If you watch her lower eyelid right ... THERE ... no wait, back it up ... THERE, see? her left lower eyelid, did you see that little twitch? She's seething inside. She's not really behind Obama. You also notice that they only showed Bill, oh, 24 times or so, and he wasn't smiling in at least 3 of them? Those two are not happy campers." Meanwhile, the McCain campaign released their latest video, which insinuates that Michelle Obama is black, and her kids both have the same squeaky voice.<< Much more at the link. Why wait until the last minute?