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Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603921_pf.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/..._pf.html</a> >>But Clinton's performance fell far short of the panacea the Democratic Party had desperately hoped for, delegates said. Some worried that, after Clinton's public withdrawal, more voters might defect for Republican John McCain or simply stay home. "I'm not going to vote for Obama. I'm not going to vote for McCain, either," said Blanche Darley, 65, a Texas delegate for Clinton. Darley wore a button saying "Obamination Scares the Hell Out of Me."<< >>The week of festivities for Clinton delegates and supporters started Monday with a meet-and-greet, where some supporters learned that they differ from one another more than they originally thought. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll showed that only 42 percent of Clinton voters classify themselves as "solidly behind" Obama, and that 20 percent plan to vote for McCain. But in Denver, Clinton supporters sometimes classified themselves as belonging to one of two categories: the sad and the angry. "It just makes me upset because Hillary would have been the perfect woman to do this job," said Katherine Vincent, from Colorado. "I'm a Democrat first, but it's just difficult to get over." "I hate Obama so much that I'm going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary," said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. "Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn't care about us. You couldn't treat [Clinton] any worse." Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton's speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night. Clinton will hold a private meeting with her top financial advisers Wednesday, and many donors plan to leave immediately afterward. Terence R. McAuliffe, Clinton's campaign chairman and the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, also plans to leave before Obama's speech. Many of the women from 18 Million Voices, Fiechter's pro-Clinton group, booked tickets for Wednesday and Thursday because "we really are taking a position of being indifferent to Obama," Fiechter said. Clinton's delegates inside the Pepsi Center had no choice but to stick around, at least until the end of Wednesday's roll call. "I wish I could leave," said Straughan, the professor from California. "To be honest, that would make this whole thing a lot easier."<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/458xffrk.asp" target="_blank">http://www.theweeklystandard.c...ffrk.asp</a> >>West Virginia's registered Democrats, like their cousins in western Pennsylvania and eastern and southern Ohio, are having a hard time fitting anywhere within Barack Obama's vision of the Democratic party. "Obama and his message just do not gel with me," said Mark Lamp as he climbed into his utility truck. Lamp, 47, from neighboring Weirton, is a registered Democrat who voted for Clinton in the May primary. "My first problem with him is taxes, the second is experience," he explained. Lamp has worked in construction all of his life, and the company he works for builds houses in the tri-state area. "We have been busy all year." He sees very few signs of the economy or gas prices hurting him, and they are not what drives his vote. "I vote leadership. That is why I voted for Hillary and why I will vote McCain."<<
Originally Posted By mawnck Shocking development! Press finds disgruntled Hillary supporters to feature in their stories! "We never saw it coming" say LP World Events posters! Film at 11!
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Originally Posted By mawnck Hillary gets 26 million viewers >>Hillary Rodham Clinton’s address at the Democratic convention attracted almost 26 million viewers Tuesday night, according to Nielsen Media Research. That number is up significantly from the 22 million who watched night one of the convention on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, BET, and TV One, according to Nielsen.<< <a href="http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/hillarys-tally-18-million-supporters-26-million-viewers/" target="_blank">http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes...viewers/</a> Thanks again, GOP, for your priceless nonstop advertising of Hillary's speech, and thanks in advance for letting everyone know about Bill's appearance tonight.
Originally Posted By jdub >>>>But Clinton's performance fell far short of the panacea the Democratic Party had desperately hoped for, delegates said.<< What a joke. I don't know what more Senator Clinton could have done last night. Legally speaking, of course.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Neither do I. I thought her part of the speech where she said "did you vote for me or for ...?" was really pointed and poignant. Then she turned around today and lead the nomination. She'll never win - no matter what she does. She practically a fictional character at this point.
Originally Posted By mawnck Bill Clinton undermines Obama campaign - Democrats in terrible trouble. <a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com" target="_blank">http://www.rushlimbaugh.com</a> (It's not there just yet ... wait until tomorrow.)
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I've never been a fan of Clinton's speaking abilities. I've always found her speeches to fall flat. Last night's was spot on. No amount of punditry can rewrite her speech for those that actually heard it (which was quite a few people). It was crystal clear -- no more GOP, vote for Barack Obama.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Same here Sport but last night to me she nailed it. She was passionate, fluid and very very clear.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I think Bill's speech was much better than hillary's. He was able to get specific about the losses the country has suffered over the past eight years. And coming from him, it resonates in a way that all americans - even republicans - can clearly understand. "That was then, this is now". In comparing the two, nobody is going to say that now is better than then. He was also emphatic about Obama's ability to be president and CIC. Hillary's speech never got this far, maybe because she knew what bill was going to say the following night. It's better coming from former president clinton anyway. Bill Clinton also made mention of use of torture, and our loss of standing and authority in the world. To my knowledge, he's the first one out there to give voice to what I consider vital issues. Biden hasn't spoken yet as I post this, but I've got high hopes for this one too. I want to hear specifics about the GOP failures of the last eight years - I want someone on the primetime podium to drill into the GOP record.
Originally Posted By hopemax I thought Hillary's speech was better than Bill's. I think she nailed what her role was. I thought Bill tried to do too much. I thought when he was talking about the 2 biggest problems in America and how Barack Obama can meet them, and John McCain, while a Maverick on some things, but not these 2 critical things, was the most powerful part of his speech. The laundry list of Republican failings, I thought would best to have been left to someone else, like Biden. I would have liked to have seen the flow be... Hillary Clinton - Unite the Party Bill Clinton - Why we like Obama Joe Biden - How badly the GOP has messed up Barack Obama - How we are going to get back to being a strong America
Originally Posted By mawnck >> I thought Bill tried to do too much.<< I don't agree. Your plan would be fine IF you assume that everybody was going to be watching the entire convention. However, the non-political junkies were tuning in solely to see if Bill was going to go postal, and weren't going to stick around and listen to boring ol' Biden. As with Hillary last night, if they were going to get the message across to the maximum audience possible, it ALL had to be in the Clinton speech. And it was. Any way you slice it (except, I'm sure, Rush's way), it was a fabulous speech. Them Clintons don't mess around. Biden's was actually a little anticlimactic. Obama better bring his best game tomorrow or it really *will* look like they picked the wrong candidate. And the Dems really got to work on them outros. That's the second time in a row that an evening that was going just about perfect ended in awkwardness and confusion.
Originally Posted By jdub Senator Clinton's job was to unite the party. President Clinton's job was to get his foot out of his mouth. >> Biden's was actually a little anticlimactic.<< Yah, but I wouldn't have expected otherwise; we were all really turning in to hear the Clintons, after all.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Obama better bring his best game tomorrow or it really *will* look like they picked the wrong candidate.*** No worries. He'll be great. One thing I noticed though...he needs to get working on a theme song. "Don't Stop" is just so Clintonesque and, then and now, makes you think of good times and the promise of tomorrow. Til you wake up and remember who's still in the White House, anyway.
