Originally Posted By vbdad55 < think the Pooh Playground is more in keeping with Walt's vision of everyone enjoying themselves than some would admit to. Is it sexy? No. But it doesn't have to be to serve the purpose and, as has been mentioned, it seems to be holding it's own with a good number of kids and their parents.> Didn;t Walt create DL after viewing his daughter playing in the 'park/playground' and decided to design a place with a higher level of entertainment ? How many playgrounds did the original DL have when it opened ? MK has an entire land ( Toon Town) that is a playground - Tom Sawyers Island that is a playground and a playground in Splach Mountain -- so enough of Walt's vision. If his vision would have been a playground, he would have bought the one his daughter was playing in and saved himself a lot of work.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Again, Splash isn't appropriate for most kids under 5 years old. If you think that Toon Town, TSI (aimed at the pre-teen and teen crowd...certainly not aimed at toddlers) and the Pooh Playground have given toddlers run of the MK then I can't argue with that misinterpretation. I'm a parent. A parent who likely wouldn't be making a lot more trips to the MK...or WDW for that matter if I wasn't a parent. I do love Disney but what got me back year after year as a young adult...namely new thrilling attractions...isn't what drives my visits today. What drives my visits today is sharing the parks with my children. I guess I could wait 5 or 6 years to return until my kids are big enough to enjoy but I'm not sure Disney wants me to wait that long. And, judging by their focus on things like the Pooh Playground and Playhouse Disney Live they are realize adults with young children are a market that could use some attention.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I have no problem at all with Playhouse Disney Live -- but let's not mix apples and oranges here. Playhouse Disney Live is a quality show geared towards younger children -- it involves performers and sets and interaction...is not the 3rd such attraction in one area ( such as Pooh being the 3rd playground in MK - even outside of Toon Town> And you believe Toon Town is there to please pre teens ? I hope I am reading that wrong. All of Toon Town is geared towards toddlers -- including all themeet and greets and phot ops etc....only the Barnstormer is geared to kids over 5. Some attention is one thing -- and Playhouse Disney is a good example of how -- but the poorly themed and lacking of any interest playground is not ! Cinderellabration / Carousel / Snow White / Peter Pan / Dumbo / Magic Carpets / Tiki Room / Treehouse / Tom Sawyers Island / all of Toon Town except maybe Barnstormer / the Parades / WInnie the Pooh Adventures / the Steam Train/ Teacups / TTA / Buzz Lightyear / COP / Mickey's Philharmagic/ Jungle Cruise -- all very appropriate for toddlers -- so it's not like there is nothing to do for them-- thhat's one pretty full day just there....tack on Wishes -- and Pirates /HM for most toddlers ....tell me where the shortage is ? so that leaves out Splash Mtn / Thunder Mtn/ Space Mtn / Stitch ( probably) - more than just toddlers skip some of these... so when it comes to lists, one seems far shorter...so the need for another playground-- or even more yet in each land..I just can't see it.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Yep, you read it wrong, I said TSI is geared to the Pre-Teen/Teen crowd. Heck, Tom Sawyer wasn't 3 when he was hanging with Injun Joe. Again, what I'm saying is that a small "playground" near some of the adult attractions wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe the Pooh Playground location wasn't prime for what I envision but as has been stated earlier...something is better than nothing.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ here is where I agree to disagree...in this case I do not believe something was better thannothing, in part because I believe it will also slow any further development of that area--already 12 years in the waiting.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Ok, then I say tear down the playground and bring back the fence hiding nothing. Then the will HAVE to build your e-ticket.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 At least they won't be able to say, we did put something there...the way it is now hides the fact there used to be an E-ticket there previously from most people...out of sight out of mind..no one will ever convince me that is not the major reason we have that playground there today...it is a way for management to delay any decision making and not have to answer any more letters regarding the stagnant water and fence... there was no research done that showed a 'burning' need for a playground in Fantasyland
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Where is WDW research information compiled? I'd like to read it too.
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden <<<and I hate to tell you that the 2 - 4 year old age demographic does not pay the bills either>>> I'll disagree with this also. While they may not write the checks, in our household they are the reason we write the checks. Both my wife and I love WDW and Disney. But we wouldn't have bought into the DVC if it wasn't for our kids and their enthusiasm. We wouldn't have gone nearly as often if it wasn't for them. During the first 6 years my wife and I were married without kids, vacationwise, we did everything but Disney and enjoyed spending every dollar too. But there has to be a balance regarding attractions. Watching the kids have fun only goes so far. <<And we've told his parents that if they want to go to WDW with him it'll be sans stroller.>> Better yet, how 'bout they take the stroller and leave "Gramps" at home. If you're paying for their trip that's one thing, but otherwise I'd hope they don't listen to that bit of wisdom. Just got back from a trip that included a double-wide for our 10month-old and 3yo AND an ECV for my wife's 81yo grandmother. It was a little challenging, a little stressful at times, but we had a lot of laughs and I'll remember it fondly for the rest of my life. <<Come on, this anti Pooh playground argument is weak, we have an option a) an empty plot of land or b) a playground for little kids to blow off some steam. I would take option B over A anyday of the week.>> I used to think just like this, until I actually saw it myself. BTW vbdad, I'm still waiting for my pin. If it was done well, I'd have less of a problem with it. But even then, just a few yards away is Toon Town. I'd would have rather seen them put money into that.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I think the Pooh Playground is more in keeping with Walt's vision of everyone enjoying themselves than some would admit to. Is it sexy? No. But it doesn't have to be to serve the purpose and, as has been mentioned, it seems to be holding it's own with a good number of kids and their parents.>> That just doesn't hold any water with me. Walt had no problem with areas that appealed to kids to run off steam. He did create Tom Sawyer's Island for that purpose. But it also has something for older kids and adults too. Most toddlers and young kids get a whole lot of enjoyment just playing with/in a cardboard box. Maybe Disney should just rent some of those on a patch of grass? And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there playground type facilities in Toontown?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <I may need to pull out my economics textbooks from college, but I can't recall capitalism and selling goods at a loss so the competition goes out of business going together.< <<it's called predatory practices -- and is not in a capitalism model>> Oh dear DVCer, I did know that, but since WalMart enjoys taking on an All-American persona to fool ignorant customers, I wasn't sure if others understood. P.S. How about them Cubbies?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Where is WDW research information compiled? I'd like to read it too.>> You're reading one of the places right now. (only half-joking)
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Just remember Micheal Eisner shut down 20,000 Leagues Under the sea, buried it, and put a cheap little play area on top. To further insult us disney fans, after travesties like these he laughed all the way to the bank and took off with boatloads of money from Disney that he stuffed into his own pockets. GRRRRRR....
Originally Posted By wahooskipper It seems like people don't have a problem with attractions that are only for older kids and adults but are not happy with this playground aimed only at children. A double standard, no? And...yet again...Tom Sawyer's Island is a great place. I love it. But it is aimed more at the older kids than the under 5 set.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I have a problem with both. I want attractions the whole family can ride!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <It seems like people don't have a problem with attractions that are only for older kids and adults but are not happy with this playground aimed only at children. A double standard, no? < and where does this exactly come from ? Look at my list -- what are there -- 3 mountains and maybe Stitch that are not for the littlest of kids ( and the taller ones ride some of these) -- and all the rest are family friendly rides at any age-- so how is it a double standard ? The last items into MK: Cinderellabration - toddler friendly Pooh Playground - Toddlers only Stitch Makeover -- ?? Magic Carpets - toddler friendly Mickey's Philharmagic - toddler friendly where is this ride/attraction we have no problem with for older people only that has gone into MK ? That's right there has been none in MK...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <P.S. How about them Cubbies?< the only thing worse than my Cubbies lately is this playground....and the way they are playing they are not family friendly either :-(
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<the only thing worse than my Cubbies lately is this playground....>> I'm gonna watch my Twins whup your Cubbies tonight. They'll wish they had a Pooh Playground to retreat to once the M & M boys (Mauer and Morneau) get done with them!!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 unfortunately this year I believe you are correct -- the fight has been taken out of me onthe Cubs for this year ( now Wood looks like thru for the year again) -- but there is another team here in Chicago that plays baseball also-- in your division in fact -- how close are you to them ? LOL if you are going to the game-- have fun...don;t throw anything at the few thousand Cub fans who follow the team around --( they will be in jerseys tonight) - as their life has not been a good one this year....
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<but there is another team here in Chicago that plays baseball also-- in your division in fact -- how close are you to them ?>> There's some other team that is right up there with Detroit... would that be who you're talking about? ;-) I think they both must cheat. No one can win that many games!
