Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "If it's okay for STPH to say, "If we haven't done it in three years, it can't be done", why is it not okay for me to say, "That's simply untrue"?" Because I have three years of it NOT happening in my ledger, and you don't. You call something "true" that hasn't occurred yet, and might never occur. Something that doesn't yet exist can't be true, for all you existentialists out there.
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Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I'm not apologetic. I used sorry as shorthand for , "it's regrettable you are so wrong".
Originally Posted By cape cod joe 283--Wasn't that Simon and Garfunkel? A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest? Boxer
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You're really reaching today, seeing only what you want to see.> No, I'm not. <Because I have three years of it NOT happening in my ledger, and you don't.> I have three years of progress. <You call something "true" that hasn't occurred yet, and might never occur.> No, I don't. Iraq becoming a free, prosperous, and peaceful place is not a binary operation, where it either is or isn't. It will never be perfect, so you can always claim it hasn't happened yet, I suppose. But it's moving in the right direction. I'm merely saying that just because it hasn't fully happened yet doesn't mean it won't.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 CCJ, the Boxer was "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." The Beatles had Nowhere Man which was "He's as blind as he can be Just sees what he wants to see"
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Son of a gun---right after I wrote that I KNEW someone would correct me as I sang the song in my head and uh oh some smarty pants is going to correct you!) I know the Beatles song as if you read my post yesterday the highlight of my Epcot trips are watching the "Beatles" x from the R and C. Doesn't a man also SEE what he wants to see and disregards the rest? ))) Dabob you guys are tough! I like it) You'all are like Cato in the Clouseau movies that keep me sharp.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Yeah sure Dabob as I'll be looking for the consulting bill in the mail. You'll probably figure out my address you guys are so sharp
Originally Posted By woody Dabob2: In reference to Post 252, you're off the wall. You try to redefine the argument to fit your hypothesis. "You missed the point that math is math. It is not conservative nor liberal. It is not concerned with how you "understand" our economy or how I understand it. It is numbers. It is neutral. And to argue that demographic shifts mean NOTHING at all flies in the face of both logic and all economic experts, both liberal and conservative. They all acknowlege that demographics are hugely important - they differ only in to what to do about it. But none of them argue that demographic shifts count for nothing at all. You would be alone in that." My goodness. I said the demographic shift contributes nothing to low unemployment, but it does have a substantial effect on the economic condition in an adverse way. Are you forgetting the argument? "Not at all. Here we see how you don't apply logic. Why couldn't the 50th AND the discounts have both counted towards DCA's attendance increase? Both could have contributed; the question then becomes how much. But you seem to see things in an all-or-nothing, black or white world. But that's not the real world." You're forgetting the argument. Whether the discounts are the cause or the 50th is the cause is the argument. Otherwise, we would not have an argument or we would dismiss the argument. What the heck are you expecting? Maybe there should be no arguments. Let's say everyone is right. We are all in one happy family. Yeah, very logical. "This further shows your lack of understanding. In this case, the demographic shift would STILL not count for nothing, it would only be countered (or enhanced) by other factors. But that still doesn't mean it had no effect." In your paragraphs, you said virtually nothing about the direct link between the demographic shift and low umemployment. Are you forgetting the argument? You keep ignoring or changing the argument. That's why we are getting nowhere!!!
Originally Posted By woody BTW: I want to argue the demographic shift contributes nothing to low unemployment based on mrichmondj's original argument. mrichmondj said "low unemployment: not hard to do when your work force is retiring faster than there are younger people to replace the retirees." Dabob2: Don't even TRY to change the argument!!! However, I think mrichmondj conceded (see Post 229) so this discussion is finished. Good bye Dabob2.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <After three years, if we haven't done it, we're not going to do so.> This is the most ignorant and flat out wrong statement I have seen on these boards in some time. I just read an article from a guy who spent time in Iraq.. you know.. he was THERE... he says things are MUCH better than the media and the Bush hating crowd tries to sell. Much better. We have accomplished a LOT in 3 years. The fact that the " we can't win " crowd never admits the many positive accomplishments tells us all we need to know about them. Every step of the way the same negative, we want Saddam in power group have said the elections would never happen, they said Saddam would nver be caught , they said a new government would never happen, and now they are saying it's civil war time. Screw these people. They don't give the military any credit for a job well done and the fact that 200,000 Iraq policemen are now in place handeling security in most of the country. I swear, with every bomb the ever losing insurgents blow up, they get the EXACT reaction from the doom and gloom crowd here in America they are looking for.. like little puppets on a string react for the terrorists right on cue. Must be fun to be a puppet who wants to cut and run and say we can't win. Lucky for us and Iraq Bush isn't of this loser mentality.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "This is the most ignorant and flat out wrong statement I have seen on these boards in some time." I'd expect nothing less than this type of purposely provocative and instigating comment. Since DougDub reacted with a remark he didn't deny was juvenile, of course you come in as the bully. Big frickin' deal. Our comments stand. It's been three years with no end in sight. Bush better think of something, because he's in more political hot water than he's ever been in and stands to lose a LOT of seats in Congress this Fall. Thank God.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I just read an article from a guy who spent time in Iraq.. you know.. he was THERE... he says things are MUCH better than the media and the Bush hating crowd tries to sell. Much better.> Not sure if this is the one that Beaumandy was referring to, but David Ignatius, a reporter for the Washington Post and who I believe is a critic of the war in Iraq and the Bush administration in general, was over there recently and has written several articles saying we're winning. <a href="http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=12766" target="_blank">http://www.dailystar.com.lb/ar ticle.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=12766</a> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/15/AR2006031502180.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/15/AR2006031502180.html</a>
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Not sure if this is the one that Beaumandy was referring to" Likely he was referring to no one, but does it really matter? We all could post competing articles with both viewpoints. So what?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Not sure if this is the one that Beaumandy was referring to, but David Ignatius,>> Yep, that was the one. It was eye opening to get his take on Iraq and how well it was really going. The military has been saying the same thing for months, but who are they? Just the guys who are there everyday in person reporting in. To change a country from a Saddam hell hole with mass graves and rape rooms to a place of democracy and a new government is amazing on so many levels. Seems to me that we are on the verge of winning and getting many of our troops out of Iraq in the next year or two. To say we can't win, all hope is lost is so misguided. History will show Bush, like Reagan was correct in standing up for what was right and not quitting like the left always try to do during any conflict. It's a damn good thing Bush is calling the shots and not some loser who would abandon the Iraqi people when they are on the verge of having a free democracy in a region that knows only oppression and despair. One of the best things that is happening is the fact that the terrorists in Iraq are being attacked not by our soldiers in some cases, but by the Iraqi citizens themselves. They are ready to have a normal, happy life like the rest of us.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Au contraire. <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/War" target="_blank">http://www.rasmussenreports.co m/2006/War</a>%20on%20Terror_Monthly_Update.htm
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder <a href="http://rasmussenreports.com/" target="_blank">http://rasmussenreports.com/</a>
