Originally Posted By cape cod joe Woody--People put a spin on things in a way that makes their lives more palatable. Otherwise people's lives would not seem logical and that, it seems, would be most unbearable, i.e. for a person to admit that their life or their views could possibly be illogical.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj But Tom, we have to put a spin on things to make our lives more palatable -- right?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer My life is great and perfectly palatable. I think CCJ was talking about Beau.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Sure Tom, 50 million people are free from the Taliban and Saddam because of Ted Kennedy and the great ecomomy we have is the result of Barbara Boxers tax cuts. Bush had nothing to do with anything.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Beau, Bush's failure in leadership is seen in the big agenda items that he has either failed to bring around or failed to explain adequately enough to build support for them. His failure in leadership was in lacking the foresight to see that the occupation of Iraq would be a morass - something many of us here on LP correctly foresaw before the war. It's in failing to rally global support for his initiatives, and in failing to consider the needs of all Americans rather than just a select few when forming domestic policy. A leader who decisively leads in the wrong direction is a failure as a leader. A leader who goes off in the wrong direction and fails to gather people behind him as he sets off is no leader at all.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Beau, did I even say the Democrats were leading? No, I didn't - you're just making stuff up in your head to argue against once again.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Sorry Tom, but it's your opinion that Iraq is a " morass ". The remaining terrorists in Iraq have one goal at this point... make that two goals. To start a civil war and to make people in America say the war is a " morass ". That's it. That is all they are trying to do at this point because they have seen democracy become a very popular thing as millions of people gave them the purple finger. In fact, the civil war seems to be developing between Al Quida and local Iraqis who want them out of Iraq because they are sick of the terrorists killing not Americans so much any more, but fellow muslims in Iraq. Yes, the democrats are not leading because they have no plans and their attitude is one of defeat and morass. You act like the world would have been so much better with Saddam still in power along with his two thug sons. Why?
Originally Posted By mrichmondj Why is 50 million people an important metric? There are one billion plus people in China still living under an oppressive communist regime. What about the people of Iran? Is it now the intention of the U.S. government to free all the oppressed people of the world? At what cost? And if we're going to make that our national priority, how about the 11 million people in Cuba who have been languishing under a communist dictatorship for the past 40 years -- and only 50 miles from our own shores! Again, our ultimate success in Iraq isn't the issue -- it continues to be about our country's priorities and how we are squandering monetary and political resources to "free" people in a country that will continue to suck away our resources for years and years to come.
Originally Posted By bboisvert <<Beau, did I even say the Democrats were leading? No, I didn't - you're just making stuff up in your head to argue against once again.>> We all know that Beau and the rest of the neo-cons like to live in this fantasy world of being held down by those oppressive control-freaks called Democrats who are in charge of everything. Someday, the GOP will have the majority in the House, Senate, and White House and then we'll be sorry. We'll all be very, VERY SORRY.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Why is 50 million people an important metric? There are one billion plus people in China still living under an oppressive communist regime. What about the people of Iran?>> Are you saying we should invade China and Iran and even Cuba? Otherwise, what is your point? 50 million people have been freed from the ultimate opression under George Bush. America has liberated over 1 billion in our 230 odd years. But we are evil and horrible if you listen to the idea challenged short bus left in the country. How many people has France liberated in the last 100 years? <<Again, our ultimate success in Iraq isn't the issue -- it continues to be about our country's priorities and how we are squandering monetary and political resources to "free" people in a country that will continue to suck away our resources for years and years to come.>> The left said this exact thing when Reagan was spending billions on arms during the cold war. Guess what?? Reagan was right, the leftist liberals were once again wrong and the wall came down because Russia couldn't keep up with our spending and technology. You can't put a dollar amount on winning the war on terror. One nuclear bomb from Muhammed and the religion of peace in NY City would destroy our economy not to mention millions of lives.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You act like the world would have been so much better with Saddam still in power along with his two thug sons. Why?<< You act like you don't pay much attention to what people are actually saying, preferring to insert your own little straw men. Why?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<We all know that Beau and the rest of the neo-cons like to live in this fantasy world of being held down by those oppressive control-freaks called Democrats who are in charge of everything.>> BB, it's more like the democrats are like flys who get in the way of the adult business at hand. Flys who never have a counter idea except cut and run and America deserves to be attacked since we are the bad guys. hey, maybe you can see why you guys lose.
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<You act like you don't pay much attention to what people are actually saying, preferring to insert your own little straw men. Why?>> No, I pay attention. You said Iraq was a morass and we should have never taken Saddam out. In other words, you want him to be there now so there would be no " morass ". All the terrorists have to do is keep blowing soft targets up in Iraq to get your side to DEMAND we run home. It's already happening.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You can't put a dollar amount on winning the war on terror. One nuclear bomb from Muhammed and the religion of peace in NY City would destroy our economy not to mention millions of lives.<< I like how the millions of lives lost in a nuke terror attack rate a "not to mention" after you emphasized the economic impact. Seems like you're perfectly capable of putting a dollar amount on the war on terror, Beau.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You said Iraq was a morass and we should have never taken Saddam out.<< LOL - can't debate without making stuff up, can you?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>LOL - can't debate without making stuff up, can you?<< It isn't his fault. He learned to debate that way from his radio. His radio tells him all sorts of stuff framed just that way.
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