Originally Posted By Dlmusic <<If they only could take out two small parts, I could die a happy woman.>> What parts would those be?
Originally Posted By Dlmusic <<Although I do have a problem with something in the movie and I've been trying to resolve it in my head all night long.>> And that would be??
Originally Posted By Ursula Well, I don't want to spoil anything for anyone. ~~~***SPOILER ALERT***~~~ Fair Warning I hated the attack of the 50-foot Tia Dalma/Calypso and I hated the hang-gliding. And my unresolved issue is how Will and Elizabeth ended up. All she wanted was freedom and to be a pirate and she ends up not being able to have Will, well, regularly. I think I would have loved for Norrington to have Will's fate instead.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Wow, I can't believe how many people liked this movie here. I guess it's just me and the inspector, but I thought this movie was bad....REALLY bad. I hated the last one, but compared to this one, that one nearly looks like a masterpiece. I guess it's no spoilers here, so won't go any further. Maybe will give a review in the other one though. I know it's a Disney board and people just love the characters, but this movie went so far off the mark from the original it wasn't funny. There are so many bad moments, horrible plot lines and things that take forever, I nearly nodded off afterawhile. A lady next to me actually curled up in her seat lol. Well, glad others liked it, but these movies just aren't very good IMO. Popular, sure, but the first one seem to be the only one I really liked and I wasn't in love with that one either, but certainly liked it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I am really afraid I'm going to agree with you WorldDisney. I really enjoyed the first one. It was a very pleasant surprise. The second was an overhyped mess ... only Depp prevented it from being completely worthless. Now, other than the predictable reviews by Disney geeks, most mainstream media are calling it what I believe it to be: a violent, giant, long, mess with so many storylines you need to take notes while watching. Why do I believe them when I haven't seen the film and likely won't until next week? Because most of the Disney geeks are in full defensive mode with excuses and explanations for all the criticisms INSTEAD of talking about how great the film is on its own merits. I don't really care at this point. I know it's going to be good for my stock.
Originally Posted By u k fan <<<Because most of the Disney geeks are in full defensive mode with excuses and explanations for all the criticisms INSTEAD of talking about how great the film is on its own merits.>>> Spirit, I hope you're not including my review in that because for a start my review was a up a full 2 days before rottentomatoes.com had any reviews up. I was struggling even to find fan reviews online before I posted mine so I was certainly not making excuses for any criticisms. My review was my opinion and while it may have been shaped by the fact that I enjoyed the other two Pirate movies I'm not such a "fanboy" that I can't acknowledge that there were some problems in DMC and that some of those issues had to be carried over into this movie by nature of the fact that this was the concluding part. However, I feel that this movie was a marked improvement over DMC. I can totally relate to what the critics are saying, and I can see why they are saying it. However, <<<a violent, giant, long, mess with so many storylines you need to take notes while watching.>>> I only agree with giant (in scale) and long (and who says long is bad necessarily?) from that list. I think those that say this is violent are forgetting what the rating of this movie is (and what rating the other 2 were - this is no worse). Compared to some movies with the same rating it's tame. While I agree that there are lots of twists to the plot these are far less confusing then they were in DMC, for which I did need 2 viewings to understand fully. This is one of the minusses that AWE inherited from DMC and I think they actually did a pretty good job of tying up the mess of loose ends they had as simply as they could, which was no easy task. I look forward to hearing what you think when you actually see the film, but I fear that you mind has already been up which is a shame!!!
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "Why do I believe them when I haven't seen the film and likely won't until next week?" << If you are so convinced that you are going to dislike the film, why are you going to see it at all? As a rule, I don't go see films that I know I'm not going to like. As for the rest of your post, it is unbelievably pompous and insulting. It is also particularly obnoxious coming from someone who hasn't even seen the film. -Jeff
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle Agreed, Jeff. If someone came on and said "I haven't seen it, but I know it's going to be the best movie ever made! I'm going to love it!" Spirit would probably be on top of them for being a "Disney geek" who can't make up their own mind. Just because people don't agree with your opinion doesn't make them wrong, but when you're stating your opinion when you haven't even seen the movie to begin with, it's not really worth listening to!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, I hope you're not including my review in that because for a start my review was a up a full 2 days before rottentomatoes.com had any reviews up. I was struggling even to find fan reviews online before I posted mine so I was certainly not making excuses for any criticisms.>> No. I wasn't speaking of any one review. Just the overwhelming positive reviews of Disney fans. <<I only agree with giant (in scale) and long (and who says long is bad necessarily?) from that list. I think those that say this is violent are forgetting what the rating of this movie is (and what rating the other 2 were - this is no worse). Compared to some movies with the same rating it's tame>> I've been told the first scene of the film shows a young child being hung. Not exactly a magical memory. <<I look forward to hearing what you think when you actually see the film, but I fear that you mind has already been up which is a shame!!!>> I'll let you know my thoughts after I see it. But my mind is in no way made up ...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<If you are so convinced that you are going to dislike the film, why are you going to see it at all? As a rule, I don't go see films that I know I'm not going to like.>> Where did I say I was convinced I wouldn't like the film? Please tell me. Oh, that's right. I didn't. I said I enjoyed the first a lot and thought the second was a lousy mess made tolerable only by Johnny Depp's portrayal of Capt'n Jack. <<As for the rest of your post, it is unbelievably pompous and insulting. It is also particularly obnoxious coming from someone who hasn't even seen the film.>> Ah ... I see a struck a nerve. I am so good at that!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<As for the rest of your post, it is unbelievably pompous and insulting. It is also particularly obnoxious coming from someone who hasn't even seen the film.>> Yup. There's been alot of that going around lately. It comes from thinking you have better taste than anyone else. We saw the movie this evening. I didn't care that much for the second film, but also thought this was the best of the three. u k fan's review was dead on -- one of the best I’ve read.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead I'm just waiting for the people who like the film to be called "Disney apologists." That's when things really get fun.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<No. I wasn't speaking of any one review. Just the overwhelming positive reviews of Disney fans.>> Yeah, I admit, I'm amazed too how it is overwelmingly positive here where as if you go to movie boards, it's more split to negative. Sure people like it, but NOWHERE close to the Disney boards for some strange reason . It's GREAT people love this movie here, but it is odd how more positive it is just the same. I don't know, while I didn't find it truly horrible, its no way I could recommend it to someone unless they are a huge fan of the series, but I guess I wouldn't have to anyway if that was the case lol. But yeah, this movie had so many problems and plotholes for me, I couldn't believe it. It was just so bad. Waaay too overstuffed, convoluted and too many characters for it's own good, the film moved too far away from the first one that made it such a fun ride. When the proclaim Elizabeth King of the Pirate Lord, I almost threw up in my nachos. Forget the fact the cheeziest speech see made 'rallying' the troops. I nearly cringed. I wrote an entire reiview of the issues I had in the film in the other thread and it was completely ignored lol. Kind of weird .
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Although the critic reviews at rottentomatoes.com give AWE a fresh rating of only 47%, the user reviews give it 79% fresh. A 79% rating isn't overwhelmingly good but it sure isn't negative.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^That may be the case, but in all honesty you can't trust those user reviews because people just vote for them over and over again!! Positive OR negative, it can't be completely trusted. For example on Imdb where I'm a member, there were 1,600 votes for the movie at a rating of 8.6 out of 10 a day BEFORE the movie came out!! So, you just had a lot of these fanboys voting 10's on a movie they haven't even seen yet. It's a little frustrating to get real ratings out of stuff like that especially in the beginning. Everyone seems to have some odd agenda over a movie which I never understand. Anyway, after a few weeks when people have REALLY seen the movie and the votes of closer to reality, then I look at them to be honest. At least with the critic reviews, like it or hate it, I at least KNOW they seen the movie they voted on .
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "Yeah, I admit, I'm amazed too how it is overwelmingly positive here where as if you go to movie boards, it's more split to negative. Sure people like it, but NOWHERE close to the Disney boards for some strange reason . It's GREAT people love this movie here, but it is odd how more positive it is just the same." << I don't really see why this is surprising in the least. It is only logical that Disney fans would tend to be more positive about a Disney film than non-fans. A general tendency to like the type of entertainment that Disney provides is what makes us fans. I would imagine that you would always find the reactions to a Disney movie (or other Disney items) to lean more towards the positive on these boards than on another, more-general interest board. I will add that comments on general-interest movie boards are hardly much of an indication of anything either, though. It is really human nature that people tend to have more to say about something that they react to negatively. Even if you read through these threads on this board, while the overall reaction to the film has been positive, a large percentage of the comments have focused on discussing aspects of the film that people had problems with. Such discussions simply tend to be more interesting than people repeatedly saying "this part of the movie was cool..." Having participated on a number of general-interest movie discussion boards over the years myself, I'll also add that those boards do not typically represent the mainstream any more than these boards do. General movie discussion boards tend to attract people with a much more than casual interest in movies. It is very common for there to be a noticeable preference towards films that trend more towards the artistic than the commercial. In fact, those types of boards pretty consistently show a quite obvious bias against very popular films, especially sequels. I think the real test of whether or not the film is appealing to a large percentage of the audience is going to come over the next couple weekends. If the film drops off too dramatically after this opening week, then that is going to be an indication of fairly weak word-of-mouth and a lack of repeat business. That is going to tell a lot more about overall reactions than any discussion boards. -Jeff
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I don't really see why this is surprising in the least. It is only logical that Disney fans would tend to be more positive about a Disney film than non-fans. A general tendency to like the type of entertainment that Disney provides is what makes us fans. I would imagine that you would always find the reactions to a Disney movie (or other Disney items) to lean more towards the positive on these boards than on another, more-general interest board.>> Maybe, but I consider myself a Disney fan just as much as anyone here, but when something sucks....it sucks. Disney or not . I admit, I LOVE the ride, but I don't get the appeal of the films except the first one, but maybe it's BECAUSE I like the ride I like the first one so much? Because it was closer in spirit? Honestly, I don't know, I just think the films got worse and worse and not better and better and I'm dissappointed with them. I think some Disney suit was suprised the first one made so much money, said, "We're going to make a GOOOLDMINE" and rush these films into production without completed scripts and it shows. Special effects, locations, sets, customs all up to par like all these huge Hollywood films usually are, its just the actual STORY that lacks and a plot so thick you litterally need Calypso to cast a spell to get you to understand it all. Listen, I'm NOT knocking people who like this movie, far from it, but yeah, it IS odd that you can look at MOST movies here on these boards, even other Disney ones, and it's varied reactions, but this one everyone seem to love it here while where I live it's almost opposite, that's all. But it's great people like it just the same .
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "Maybe, but I consider myself a Disney fan just as much as anyone here, but when something sucks....it sucks. Disney or not ." << I used the word "tend" a couple times in my comments. I've never seen all Disney fans agree on anything, any more than I've ever seen universal agreement among fans on any other subject either. Certainly every Disney fan can point to some things that the company has produced that they dislike. Most fans can probably even point to a few things that most other fans liked but they disliked. My point was, though, that it isn't surprising that the comments about a generally successful Disney project are going to trend more towards the positive on a board like this one than they would on a general interest board. I think it is pretty close to a tautology to say that Disney fans generally are more likely to like Disney movies... -Jeff
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle Hmmm, almost all of my friends and family have seen the movie (only one is anywhere near what I'd classify as a "Disney geek" and she's the only one of my friends who has been to a Disney park) and their response was overwhelmingly positive. Only one person didn't like it and everyone else really enjoyed it (my mother thought it was the best of the three) so to me the generally positive response on this board isn't that different to what I'm hearing from the "general public".
