Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Hmmm, almost all of my friends and family have seen the movie (only one is anywhere near what I'd classify as a "Disney geek" and she's the only one of my friends who has been to a Disney park) and their response was overwhelmingly positive. Only one person didn't like it and everyone else really enjoyed it (my mother thought it was the best of the three) so to me the generally positive response on this board isn't that different to what I'm hearing from the "general public".>> Well, but I guess it just varies. I saw it with eight people on Sunday...two liked it and the rest of us hated it. I'm the only 'Disney fan' in the group and I certainly didn't like it. The others generally liked, if not loved the other two, but most couldn't get into this one, it just felt overly long and convoluted to a lot of us. The funny thing is, one of the people that loved us got the plot the least lol. She asked questions about EVERYTHING, but she liked it , but I suspect it was for Joooohny. I'm a 33 year old Black man, Johnney just doesn't do it for me to like a movie just because he's in it . As for the story, I got it all, but the fact you have to do SO MUCH WORK to get it just wasn't 'fun' for me. I expected to things like that from 'The Departed', not a comedy/action Disney movie where Depp acts like an aging rock star and the biggest issue was hunting down curse lost gold in the first one. By the third movie when they got to the 'Pirate's Lord' I turned to my friend and said, 'Did they mention the fact Jack AND Barbosa were in the Pirates Lord in the first movie?'. My friend turned around and said, 'No.' 'The second one?' 'Uh, no' First one, MAYBE, but you would think they would've connected something like that with the second one. That's sort of when it hit me they was just writing this stuff as they went along and it really, really showed in this movie.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Maybe, but I consider myself a Disney fan just as much as anyone here, but when something sucks....it sucks. Disney or not .>> That's exactly how I feel in general. Again, I won't make any proclamations on the film until I see it. But you make a very good point. And I'll go a step further and say that sites like this attract an even deeper fan/geek crowd than the everyday Disney fan. That's why when I say the MK (and much of WDW) sucks now, I get attacked left and right. People take it all so personally. It's kind of like people are so negative on sites like this about Pixar and those characters being pushed into the parks. I don't understand it. ... I guess many of the those folks would rather see attractions and entertainment based on Atlantis, Brother Bear, Treasure Planet, Chicken Little and Home on the Range? I admit, it all confuses me. And, trust me, I am a huge Disney geek! I just can make decision on my own with no push from Disney's marketing machine!
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>'The second one?' 'Uh, no' First one, MAYBE, but you would think they would've connected something like that with the second one. That's sort of when it hit me they was just writing this stuff as they went along and it really, really showed in this movie.<< But didn't they write and film these two at the same time? I might be wrong, but I thought they would have pretty much had number 3 written by the time they were significantly into filming number 2. Maybe because Barbossa wasn't in the second one (well, for the most part) they couldn't find a way to write it in without it seeming forced? I thought it was a bit odd that it hadn't been mentioned until now, too. Anyway, you're right - some people will go in and love it, some will hate it. I don't think you'd ever find a movie where EVERYONE agreed! <<Maybe, but I consider myself a Disney fan just as much as anyone here, but when something sucks....it sucks. Disney or not .>> >>That's exactly how I feel in general.<< I do too - there have definitely been Disney movies, rides, etc that I don't like and I haven't been afraid to admit it; I just personally enjoyed this one. Spirit, once you've seen the movie and hated it, as I'm sure you will, then you can come back and comment, but for the time being, I wish you'd stop acting like everyone who enjoyed this movie is an idiot who makes their decisions based on "Disney's marketing machine". Some people just think differently to you.
Originally Posted By irishfan I saw it yesterday, I'm a huge fan of the first two, but this one just left me cold. There just wasn't the sense of fun that the first two had, it was dark, violent and in some places down right bizare.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, once you've seen the movie and hated it, as I'm sure you will, then you can come back and comment, but for the time being, I wish you'd stop acting like everyone who enjoyed this movie is an idiot who makes their decisions based on "Disney's marketing machine". Some people just think differently to you. >> And I wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth. I may love this film. I don't know. But I do know it gets tiring writing something and having people read into it things that aren't intended and then have them attack you over it. But I'll repeat there are Disney fans who literally will praise anything the company does from Cinderella 3 to Monsters Laugh Floor at the MK to pintrading etc ...I'm not one of them. I praise and criticize based on my honest opinions, not popular opinion.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>And I wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth.<< Okay, I'll cut and paste so it's obvious I'm not. >>I just can make decision on my own with no push from Disney's marketing machine!<< >>I praise and criticize based on my honest opinions, not popular opinion.<< If you honestly don't think these comments are condescending towards people who don't agree with you, then I guess we just see things differently. But to me, they say that the people who like this movie only do so because a) it's Disney and/or b) everyone else likes it (which clearly isn't true!) And I have absolutely no problem with you, so I'm not just looking for reasons to "attack" you - I just don't agree with you. >>there are Disney fans who literally will praise anything the company does from Cinderella 3 to Monsters Laugh Floor at the MK to pintrading etc ...I'm not one of them<< I agree with you that there are fans like that, but I honestly don't believe there are many of them on these boards. I don't think I read a single positive review in the Laugh Room thread I read a while ago and I don't know many fans of the cheapquels. I don't spend much time in the WDW sections as I know you do, but I haven't seen them around the other parts of the boards, anyway. I also don't see the connection between people saying they enjoyed this movie, and the sort of fans you've described.
Originally Posted By Dznygrl <<It's kind of like people are so negative on sites like this about Pixar and those characters being pushed into the parks. I don't understand it. ... I guess many of the those folks would rather see attractions and entertainment based on Atlantis, Brother Bear, Treasure Planet, Chicken Little and Home on the Range?>> I think these people's main reason for objecting to the creation of Pixarland (myself included) is that we would rather see more original non-movie based attractions.
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "But I'll repeat there are Disney fans who literally will praise anything the company does from Cinderella 3 to Monsters Laugh Floor at the MK to pintrading etc ...I'm not one of them." << I've seen few, if any, people on here that are like that. Even the discussions of "At World's End" here have been pretty mixed, with most of us that generally liked the film still acknowledging its faults. I think you would be hard pressed to find many (if any) frequent participants on these boards that have never posted scathing comments about some Disney project or another that disappointed. It really seems to me like you are largely ranting against a strawman here. As for your constant cries about people "putting words in your mouth", perhaps you should re-think the way you are conveying your opinions if you are finding that you are being so roundly misunderstood. Misinterpretation of posts are pretty rarely the fault of the reader. -Jeff
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "I think these people's main reason for objecting to the creation of Pixarland (myself included) is that we would rather see more original non-movie based attractions." Amen
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<If you honestly don't think these comments are condescending towards people who don't agree with you, then I guess we just see things differently. But to me, they say that the people who like this movie only do so because a) it's Disney and/or b) everyone else likes it (which clearly isn't true!) And I have absolutely no problem with you, so I'm not just looking for reasons to "attack" you - I just don't agree with you. >> No. I don't find those comments condescending at all. I do find the conclusions you read into them condescending. And I'll just repeat again and again that I haven't seen the film, may not see it for a while as I have a wedding to attend this weekend followed by a visit to WDW ... but I may well love the film ... or hate it ... or more likely .. somewhere in between. But my point was simply that many rabid Disney fans will lap up whatever the Mouse puts out. Surely, you see truth in that statement? Heck, how many Disney fans won't go and see a Shrek film, which BTW I also found (the first two anyway) highly overrated, because they know it takes shots at Disney? How many folks have issues with Pixar characters because they don't feel they're 'true' Disney characters? I feel like I'm going around in circles here. I never suggested that everyone who enjoys AWE does so because they're mindless fans of Disney. I did suggest, however, that some certainly fall into that category. If you can't see any truth in that statement we're just going to go around in circles. FWIW, I hope I enjoy the film. Who wants to go sit at a movie for three hours and not come out with a smile on their face?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<As for your constant cries about people "putting words in your mouth", perhaps you should re-think the way you are conveying your opinions if you are finding that you are being so roundly misunderstood. Misinterpretation of posts are pretty rarely the fault of the reader. -Jeff>> Ouch ... that hoit. Seriously, Jeff, some people hear what they want to hear on the radio even if it's playing a different song than the one in their heads.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<"I think these people's main reason for objecting to the creation of Pixarland (myself included) is that we would rather see more original non-movie based attractions." Amen>> I agree as well. I guess what I'm saying is more people seem to have problems when the characters being shoved down their throats are Pixar ones vs. traditional Disney ones. I too would much rather see original characterless experiences and attractions in parks.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I never judge a Disney film differently than I judge any other film. In fact there have been at least a half-dozen major Disney films in the past few years that I've never seen, including (GASP!) Cars!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < don't really care at this point. I know it's going to be good for my stock. < I agree ! I really liked the 1st one a lot - was a pleasant surprise.....and I believe a really good movie. I enjoyed the 2nd and 3rd one ( 3rd one more than 2) - and they are fun movies , kinda like the Raiders movies - but artistic successes - I agree no.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<But Cars is Pixar, Trippy. It's not TRUE Disney. >> Yeah ... but it was heck of a lot better film than Dead Man's Chest.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I enjoyed the 2nd and 3rd one ( 3rd one more than 2) - and they are fun movies , kinda like the Raiders movies - but artistic successes - I agree no.>> I would in no way put Dead Man's Chest on a level with any of the Indy films. Can't light a candle to them. ... Curse of the Black Pearl, maybe.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 OK. The Spirit finally saw PoC:AWE this afternoon ... and he hopes all who criticized his posts on this thread will pop their heads out and read the following: I ENJOYED the movie. A lot! Or perhaps, I should say a lot more than the reviews would have led me to think I would. I won't do a point-by-point review because the film has been out for what? five weeks now? But if I were a critic I'd give it 2 1/2 stars (out of 4) in general ... and as a summer popcorn flick I'd bump it up to a solid 3. No, this didn't make me smile with sheer pleasure like the first movie ... but it didn't make me cringe and look at my watch (even once) like the second. I think the best aspect of the film ... something or perhaps I should say someone who made all the difference in AWE who wasn't in DMC is Geoffrey Rush. Say what you will about Johnny Depp's iconic Jack Sparrow, but Rush just ate up the screen with his over-the-top, gleeful, return as Barbossa. It really made me realize how glaring his absence (or until the final minute) was in the last film. I enjoyed every second he was onscreen. Depp was his usual wonderful self, but I think the multiple Sparrows were a bit over-the-top overkill. Other complaints would be the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade float near the end ... just weird and not needed ... and the fact that a good 15 minutes could have been edited without harming the film. Also thought Keith Richards' appearance was almost a non-event ... they could have made it clearer that we was Jacks's daddy. Also was the only one in the theater when the final scene played ... and it was worth it. How it effects any future film(s) I'm not sure of. I also think this film had a much more coherent (if you could get around the 116 doublecrosses) theme in it really ... the film wasn't about bringing Jack back so much as it was about coming full circle and fufilling the need for the Flying Dutchman to have a new captain. I could pick apart a few other things ... like the CGI snow scene (filmmakers needs to give us a break on this ...yeah, it's way kewl-looking, but we've all seen it ... no need to add it) or the soundstage-like look of Singapore in the beginning (for a film that cost what this one did, they might have actually filmed outside). But overall, I think a lot of the crtics were wrong. This was a fine film. Good, but not great. But more importantly a satisfying way to either end the saga of Capt'n Jack and crew ... or at least this chapter of it.
Originally Posted By u k fan Spirit, I agree with you on several points, particularly the absence of Barbossa in DMC. He really was sorely missed. It may not have seemed like it at the time, but with hindsight he would have made DMC more enjoyable. I was also very disappointed by the Calypso conclusion, though I hate to use that word as it wasn't really a conclusion. What a waste. For this reason alone I hope there's a fourth installment. I'd be happy to see more of the pirates and Calypso, but I think that they should perhaps put Will and Elizabeth out to pasture and move on. Maybe small roles as they do still exist in POTC folklore, but I think it's time to explore other avenues now. I wouldn't even be against a prequel! I'm glad you enjoyed it as it really does seem to be a movie that polarizes people!!!
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "OK. The Spirit finally saw PoC:AWE this afternoon ... and he hopes all who criticized his posts on this thread will pop their heads out and read the following: I ENJOYED the movie. A lot!" << I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. Now, I would suggest that you go back and read your own earlier posts and see if you can recognize that your reaction after actually seeing the film makes those posts seem even more ridiculous and misguided. -Jeff
