Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>While I am excited to ride the new version, and will try to contain myself from hopping out of my boat to get my hands on jack sparrow (ok, that was creepy...)...<< That's Ok. I have a restrain order against Prince Phillip. >>..I am so very disappointed that yo ho is GONE...how could they?!?!<< They could because they run the show anyway they like... However.. 'Yo-Ho' is not entirely gone. Jack sings the song at the very end of the ride, as he sits there matter of factly. This is where you may loose your marbles and get off the boat to hug him.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>however, this version's subtractions do cause it to lose the soul of the original<< Skylardad great review. I share your thoughts but could not put it as well as you did. I was disappointed with this redo. My biggest objection is with the inclusion of the Zimmer score. It completely changes the tone of the attraction for the worse. It clashes with the entire concept of the attraction. To me, with the music in the drop tunnel/battle the ride currently isn't a redo but a completely different attraction. Second, before the drop, they butchered what I considered to be one of the best scenes in WDW's pirates. Not only is the skeleton at the helm scene less impressive, but removing the talking skull and crossbones is completely regressive. So we gain a virtual 2-D projection but remove a full dimensioned talking skull and cross-bones. I liked the first and third Jack AAs. I thought Barbossa was a waste and looked like a ragged drunk in a bar, rather than a ruthless, fearsome pirate captain. They should have kept the treasure room with the tied up guards as it was and put Jack in his chair in front of them where the pirates used to be. I'm not an expert on staging, but I felt it would have been better that way for the boat-rider. I thought he was two far away and poorly lit. I think the Davy Jones projection, while technically impressive, was awkwardly out of place. Out of place with having a South-park type ghost pirate in the attraction, out of place in being presented so soon into the ride, and poorly operated with it being on a playback loop instead of a timed effect synched with the boats. I'm sure it is more impressive at DL, but as far as I can tell it was shoe-horned into WDW's version and the ride suffers for it. While I too noticed the sound being screwy, I'm sure that is something that will be fine tuned, I have problems with things that I think will last on for awhile. The entrance basically drew a big 'meh' from me. I'm not too worked up about losing the parrot, but like the skull and crossbones I don't understand why they think it is better to present flat, inanimate showpieces in leiu of 3 dimensional animated effects. That's what makes the Magic Kingdom - - - - Magical. Kids want to see talking pirate birds and talking skeletons. Adults want to see that. It was a disappointment. I'm all for updating, especially updates in regards to technology. I just think they hurt the WDW version. As far as I can tell the DL version comes back far better from rehab. My biggest complaint with WDW is how drastically the mood and tone were changed with the music in areas around and in the attraction. I do not think that it is for the better. Even something as minor as the score playing outside the attraction rather than the old carribean-type mood music.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^They've definitely changed the tone. No doubt about it. The mood is set by the movie score before you even enter the fortress queue. And I do agree with your points about the timing of Davy Jones's projection. A lot of thing do feel awkward and shoehorned in, BUT that said, I still don't have a problem with it. The MK version pales so much to the Anaheim and Paris versions (and I'll go out on a tiny limb and say I'm sure Tokyo's is better as well) that it's hard for me to have much of a response. The original was a short version thrown into the MK quickly by Card Walker in 1973. It's never held a candle to the original. Still doesn't. If the changes attract a new audience, I am OK with it. I just don't know what they could have done without drastic additions, even to the show building itself.
Originally Posted By CastMemberAshWDWCP I thought they still had some work to do on it, but and it wasnt due to totally reopen by the end of july, which, ironically, is when I will be down there for the college program!! i hope they fix it because from what I've heard, they still need to fix some stuff...like the canon blasts...sounds like a blank shootin off...i still love the ride dearly though.
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire Wait...i just briefly went through this thread and saw that its said that the "Yo ho" was taken out? Definitely not. I was there yesterday and rode it. I loved it, and the song was most definitely there, in the secondto last scene with the "burning"
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Wait...i just briefly went through this thread and saw that its said that the "Yo ho" was taken out?<< I remember reading that too, but I assumed the author was referencing the various background scores. Thanks for pointing that out BoF.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Wait...i just briefly went through this thread and saw that its said that the "Yo ho" was taken out?<< I remember reading that too, but I assumed the author was referencing the various background scores. Thanks for pointing that out BoF.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>^^They've definitely changed the tone. No doubt about it. The mood is set by the movie score before you even enter the fortress queue.<< Exactly. That is what I was trying to get at. I blather on too much. Outside of my disappointment with the score in the tunnel/battle, that right off the bat got the experience off to a bad start with me. Not that I think the calypso/Caribbean music that played prior was so important, but I felt pumping the Zimmer score on the Adventureland midway was very jarring and certainly put people on guard. That might be the intended effect; in an insecure way making up for the abbrv. 1st act of MK's POTC, but I thought it really took me out of the whole MK & Adventureland experience. It was certainly something more appropriate for a MGM or Universal setting. It's too aggressive and contemporary to be BGM for the MK. IMO. >>And I do agree with your points about the timing of Davy Jones's projection.<< I'm curious, it's dandy if we disagree, but I am curious if you agree with my assessment that a cursed pirate-ghost with cartoony eels for a beard fits with the POTC universe that 85% of the current attraction still presents. While judging the merits of Davy Jones over Barbossa as a villain lies outside this attraction issue, I really felt he's more appropriate for an attraction like Revenge of the Mummy and not MK's POTC. >>A lot of thing do feel awkward and shoehorned in, BUT that said, I still don't have a problem with it. The MK version pales so much to the Anaheim and Paris versions (and I'll go out on a tiny limb and say I'm sure Tokyo's is better as well) that it's hard for me to have much of a response. The original was a short version thrown into the MK quickly by Card Walker in 1973. It's never held a candle to the original. Still doesn't.<< I'm going off of conversations from two years ago, so correct me if my assumptions are wrong. We both experienced MK's POTC version first. I know I became immediately fascinated by it, just as I am sure that many people on this forum also did. Before visiting other versions of the ride, did either of us find fault with the MK caverns? Did either of us care that we weren't exposed to the ride system's lift? Could we tell we were being short-changed by the scaled-down sets? Well, there are still a lot of people out there who only know the MK version. The MK version has exposed more people to the POTC franchise than the DL version has (I'm not talking about ride capacity or ride counts). Whether MK should have received the full DL version or not, more people know Yo-Ho Yo-Ho because of the MK version not because of Disneyland. With that said, and maybe because I'm over-protective of MK's POTC, having first been exposed to it - - I just don't think because it is sub-standard to DL, it’s enough of an excuse to say that whatever havoc WDI reeks on it, the changes are not worth legitimate criticism. It's like for the sake of synergy Disney takes out Brer Fox and Brer Bear out of Disneyland's Splash Mountain. They replace Brer Fox and Brer Bear in Disneyland's Splash Mountain with the LeRoy and Stitch characters. Now LeRoy and Stitch are trying to cause Brer Rabbit to have a bad day. Should no one get too worked up about it because it only happened to the inferior DL version of Splash? Should people who only go to WDW, or for that matter people who are lucky enough to visit different Disney parks, not care because there are still better versions of Splash that are available? Marc Davis felt areas of MK's POTC were significant improvements. I feel that way also. Many, many, many people know no other version. I think that's enough reason, for me personally, to take the MK POTC changes seriously. As it stands now, it’s one more large glaring reason in a long list of reasons to keep choosing Anaheim over Orlando. >>If the changes attract a new audience, I am OK with it.<< I don't think they will. I think people visiting the MK for the first time in their life are going to try POTC whether Deep is in it or not. It's not on the same level of replacing Dreamflight with Buzz or Toad with Pooh. Now maybe it will cause more people to revisit in the short-term, but I don’t think these changes bring a NEW audience. I hope you haven’t started sipping the Disney Kool-Aid, ’74, I didn’t think you got your consulting gig yet. >>I just don't know what they could have done without drastic additions, even to the show building itself.<< That's the problem you, I, and others have echoed numerous times in the past. If they are going to do something, they should do it right. They shouldn't dog it. So why is this case different? Why does Disney get a pass? Because 5% of MK's visitors can write a summary of the differences between other POTC attractions? For me, no. I certainly look forward to seeing how the DL version turned out first hand. It sounds like they were much more successful out there.
Originally Posted By CastMemberAshWDWCP Well I'm glad Yo Ho is still in there...but I'm glad its only in part of it...dont they play the PoC Soundtrack songs most of the ride now?! Thats nice, considering if you get stuck on it, like I have in the past, you wont have to hear Yo Ho for the 20 minutes you are stuck there. Even though it is a catchy tune!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>^^They've definitely changed the tone. No doubt about it. The mood is set by the movie score before you even enter the fortress queue.<< <<Exactly. That is what I was trying to get at. I blather on too much.>> You keep right on blathering away. I find your blather to be some of the most intelligent, articulate viewpoints on Disney that can be found online. <<Outside of my disappointment with the score in the tunnel/battle, that right off the bat got the experience off to a bad start with me. Not that I think the calypso/Caribbean music that played prior was so important, but I felt pumping the Zimmer score on the Adventureland midway was very jarring and certainly put people on guard. That might be the intended effect; in an insecure way making up for the abbrv. 1st act of MK's POTC, but I thought it really took me out of the whole MK & Adventureland experience.>> I think my issue with it is more that it bleeds out too much into the walkways. <<It was certainly something more appropriate for a MGM or Universal setting. It's too aggressive and contemporary to be BGM for the MK. IMO.>> I disagree, but I understand where you're coming for. <<I'm curious, it's dandy if we disagree, but I am curious if you agree with my assessment that a cursed pirate-ghost with cartoony eels for a beard fits with the POTC universe that 85% of the current attraction still presents. While judging the merits of Davy Jones over Barbossa as a villain lies outside this attraction issue, I really felt he's more appropriate for an attraction like Revenge of the Mummy and not MK's POTC.>> I found his presence jarring at first. But I do think that's the whole point. They are attempting to bring the movie world in, and the movies have a darker feel and tone than the PoC we've known and loved. >>A lot of thing do feel awkward and shoehorned in, BUT that said, I still don't have a problem with it. The MK version pales so much to the Anaheim and Paris versions (and I'll go out on a tiny limb and say I'm sure Tokyo's is better as well) that it's hard for me to have much of a response. The original was a short version thrown into the MK quickly by Card Walker in 1973. It's never held a candle to the original. Still doesn't.<< <<I'm going off of conversations from two years ago, so correct me if my assumptions are wrong. We both experienced MK's POTC version first. I know I became immediately fascinated by it, just as I am sure that many people on this forum also did. Before visiting other versions of the ride, did either of us find fault with the MK caverns? Did either of us care that we weren't exposed to the ride system's lift? Could we tell we were being short-changed by the scaled-down sets?>> You are correct. I experienced PoC in O-Town in 1974 and not in Anaheim until 16 years later. And you're 100% correct, I never had any problems with the shortcomings of the MK version until I went to DL and, more recently, DLP. I didn't know what I was missing. Many people don't. PoC is still one of the best MK attractions, but -- if you've been on the other versions -- it's impossible to not feel shortchanged. It's kind of like the kid (or adult) that loves chocolate ice cream. Nothing wrong with that at all. But let's say that since he likes it, he never tries any other flavors. He may think chocolate is the best, but he has nothing to back that up with. Perspective is everything. Mine constantly changes as I grow as a person. A lot of the time, my perspective changes in ways I wish it hadn't but that's life. <<Well, there are still a lot of people out there who only know the MK version. The MK version has exposed more people to the POTC franchise than the DL version has (I'm not talking about ride capacity or ride counts). Whether MK should have received the full DL version or not, more people know Yo-Ho Yo-Ho because of the MK version not because of Disneyland. With that said, and maybe because I'm over-protective of MK's POTC, having first been exposed to it - - I just don't think because it is sub-standard to DL, it’s enough of an excuse to say that whatever havoc WDI reeks on it, the changes are not worth legitimate criticism.>> I agree. I don't want any more WDW attractions getting the 'they're tourists, they don't know any better' re-dos that have become the WDW/WDI way the past decade. <<It's like for the sake of synergy Disney takes out Brer Fox and Brer Bear out of Disneyland's Splash Mountain. They replace Brer Fox and Brer Bear in Disneyland's Splash Mountain with the LeRoy and Stitch characters. Now LeRoy and Stitch are trying to cause Brer Rabbit to have a bad day.>> Sounds like a great idea. Shhhh.... <<Should no one get too worked up about it because it only happened to the inferior DL version of Splash? Should people who only go to WDW, or for that matter people who are lucky enough to visit different Disney parks, not care because there are still better versions of Splash that are available? Marc Davis felt areas of MK's POTC were significant improvements. I feel that way also. Many, many, many people know no other version. I think that's enough reason, for me personally, to take the MK POTC changes seriously. As it stands now, it’s one more large glaring reason in a long list of reasons to keep choosing Anaheim over Orlando.>> Yes sir. >>If the changes attract a new audience, I am OK with it.<< <<I don't think they will. I think people visiting the MK for the first time in their life are going to try POTC whether Deep is in it or not. It's not on the same level of replacing Dreamflight with Buzz or Toad with Pooh.>> True, but it may help keep the attraction 'relevant' for a new generation that doesn't think just "yo-ho, yo-ho'' is gonna do that. <<Now maybe it will cause more people to revisit in the short-term, but I don’t think these changes bring a NEW audience. I hope you haven’t started sipping the Disney Kool-Aid, ’74, I didn’t think you got your consulting gig yet.>> No. But who knows, Bob may be working on the contract now And, FWIW, I've stopped putting out anything online that can be stolen because I realize with Disney, it will be. So I may have 5 ways of making PoC better in Orlando, but I'll never mention it here. DISNEY USES SITES LIKE THESE AS FREE CONSULTING! (that wasn't for you, Mike, but for the people who think they're just talking with friends about what character meal is best or what day they should go to Epcot)
Originally Posted By ChiMike Thanks for the response. A good conversation for sure. >>And, FWIW, I've stopped putting out anything online that can be stolen because I realize with Disney, it will be. So I may have 5 ways of making PoC better in Orlando, but I'll never mention it here.<< I don't blame you. >>DISNEY USES SITES LIKE THESE AS FREE CONSULTING! (that wasn't for you, Mike, but for the people who think they're just talking with friends about what character meal is best or what day they should go to Epcot)<< Yeah, I'm aware. Not only that but non-affiliated Disney columnists also find various boards ripe for the picking. My only bug is that they pass it on to the reader (or to Disney honchos) as their own. I don't really mind since I'd be thrilled if any of my POVs were adopted. Fat chance. I can't blame Disney either, if I were in charge I would do the same thing. I would have been doing it 13 years ago rather than 5. At first, Bob & Matt really had some easy decisions to make the advice had been plastered all over fandom for years. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. My 8 year old could have corrected some of the intitial wrongs. The trick is what do they do going forward. Lastly, I kind of miss the more ominous days of RAD in the mid 90s.. Employees could speak more freely and it was nice to have everyone conversing in a few central places. The sprawl of the internet has certainly changed the dynamic of the Disney parks and their guests.
Originally Posted By idleHands <<And, FWIW, I've stopped putting out anything online that can be stolen because I realize with Disney, it will be. So I may have 5 ways of making PoC better in Orlando, but I'll never mention it here.>> OH GOODY! Let them steal this idea I posted in another thread, I don't care: Create a real live version of Ink & Paint Club from Roger Rabbit, using the Turtle Talk/Monsters Laugh Floor technology for the Toons performing on stage. Serve drinks like a real speakeasy, recreating the ambience from the film as much as possible. An 'adult' version a la Adventurers Club would be terrific, but I'll even settle for the G-Rated ToonTown version. I would love this place! <<Lastly, I kind of miss the more ominous days of RAD in the mid 90s.. Employees could speak more freely and it was nice to have everyone conversing in a few central places.>> I miss a.d.d., for similar reasons. One big happy online family, with Sunday noontime meets at the Hub. *sigh*
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct <<I kind of miss the more ominous days of RAD in the mid 90s>> I still check in to r.a.d.p. (rec.arts.disney.parks) sometimes. I think a lot of r.a.d.p. readers migrated to the DIS boards. I still like lp the BEST
Originally Posted By danyoung >You are correct Labuda. I am the one being disrespecful.. Apologies sent via UPS to LadyandtheTramp.< You keep on being sweet like this, & I'm gonna start wondering what you did with the real TDLFAN!
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<You keep on being sweet like this, & I'm gonna start wondering what you did with the real TDLFAN!>> amazing huh... must be a dose of pixiedust... : )
