Originally Posted By Donny you can think President Obama is a great President and still know that even allowing the words 57 states was very stupid for him to say.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>you can think President Obama is a great President and still know that even allowing the words 57 states was very stupid for him to say.<< And yet, bizarrely, this is your go-to thing. Something that happened when he was exhausted after non-stop campaigning, three years ago. He misspoke, made a mistake. We all do it. You, Donny, have accidentally logged on and posted under your son's account. How about we keep calling you "stupid" for this error? I could care less that Bachmann misspoke. I do care, Donny, that she seems to have serious issues with truth telling. You repeatedly ignored this link when I posted it for Donald Trump, Donny. I hope you'll at least click and review it for Bachmann. <a href="http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/" target="_blank">http://www.politifact.com/pers...achmann/</a> She's made, according to non-partisan Politifact, one true statement. She's told eleven false statements and seven "pants on fire" statements. You're defending a habitual liar, Donny.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>And yet, bizarrely, this is your go-to thing.<< That is because he is a troll. You'd have as much luck engaging in a conversation with him as you would with Harvey the rabbit. No, maybe less luck, actually.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I don't make the troll charge lightly, by the way. I don't automatically think anyone who is on the right is a troll. But when several posters attempt to answer some of the right-wing-bumper-sticker one liners he spits up on here, there is no back and forth. It's on to the next thing. So for me, that spells M-O-O-N, and that means trouble.* *Bonus points for today's Obscure Pop Culture Reference.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Let's remember that Donny was our big Trump supporter here . . . for about a week. Once that 'campaign' was shown to be nothing more than a publicity stunt, he apparently jumped onto the next crazy train passing through - in this case, Bachmann. And K2M's right - as fun as it might be to serve up Bachmann's litany of loony comments, it doesn't accomplish anything. Bachmann's supporters don't care about her disconnect from reality - they have the same problem themselves. She'll tell you that the president wants to lock up americans in internment camps, Michelle Obama wants to force all women to breastfeed, that liberals want school kids to go on "abortion field trips", the treasury wants to replace the dollar with a "one-world currency", light bulbs are harming cats and dogs, and on and on. There's no call for accountability on these ridiculous comments, at least not from supporters. Their only concern is that she be seen as a "legitimate" candiate. Legitimate to who? Loons just like her. And him. Welcome to GOP 2012 - where even the so-called "sensible" candidates are nuts. Pawlenty wants to repeal taxes on ALL corporations, slash taxes further for the rich, and privatize any government function that can be googled. And republicans just nod and smile. But don't ask them to defend any of these reckless positions, they couldn't do it if they tried.
Originally Posted By ecdc I recommend Matt Taibbi's Rolling Stone article to anyone who wants a whiff of Bachmann. Wow. Just...wow.
Originally Posted By velo >>Bachmann's supporters don't care about her disconnect from reality - they have the same problem themselves. << This. She's a pretty, shiny thing that's caught their attention, for now.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I think that's about right. Palin seems to be fading, and the media needs a counterweight to Romney for the all-important "horserace" stories they need from now till the SC primary at least. Pawlenty might have been that, but he hasn't seemed to catch fire with anyone. Trump is out. Gingrich is all but out. Huntsman got some momentary notice but isn't nearly as colorful as Bachmann (and only marginally moreso than Pawlenty). That leaves Bachmann, particularly since she has a depressingly good shot at taking Iowa. So when she manages to attend a debate and NOT say one of the groaners akin to the many she's uttered (see above), they're happy to annoint her (for now) as a "serious candidate." How boring for the media if Romney just walked away with it. That's why they're taking it easy on her for now. If she starts having success electorally, that will change. As it should. (Although arguably they should be holding her feet to the fire NOW.) Romney himself seems glad to have her. He'd love it to come down to him and her, rather than him or Pawlenty or Huntsman. He could then triangulate nicely between nutjob tea-party Bachmann and "too liberal" Obama and try to look like the moderate. So he's not taking her on yet either.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I can't imagine what it would be like to have cameras and media follow me around on a campaign trail and record every word I say and every reaction I have to every situation. I bet we'd all crater at some point. I know I would. Saying '57 states' is just a flub of a number -- he meant 47, he said 57. Then again, I like President Obama, so I'm more apt to cut him a break. Palin and Bachmann -- they just seem like leaders at a local community theater or something.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There's a huge difference between a slip of the tongue, which Obama's thing clearly was, and actually attempting to make a point about how great the founders were by saying they abolished slavery. That wasn't in response to a "gotcha" question or anything. She offered that up herself. Thought she was making a point. So that tells you she actually believes it. And that does speak to her qualifications, especially as she posits herself as a Constitutional expert (!). Not only does any reasonably bright 5th grader know that the founders didn't abolish slavery, anyone who actually knew the Constitution would know that not only did the original Constitution not abolish slavery, it codified it. And THAT tells you that she doesn't really understand the Constitution, only what she THINKS it says. Which means she would make a particularly lousy president.
Originally Posted By mele She keeps saying it, too, and just recently added John Quincy Adams to her list of Founding Fathers.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>and just recently added John Quincy Adams to her list of Founding Fathers<< ... and Chuck Norris and Floyd the Barber and Ayn Rand and ...
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Being a former resident of Minnesota I am very familiar with Bachmann. There is no doubt that compared to her, Palin is a GENIUS!!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Of course we've all seen this... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...epxPPBok</a> LOL
Originally Posted By FaMulan I was just going to post about the John Quincy Adams thing and this link to her interview on GMA. Here's the link anyway: <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/06/john-quincy-adams-a-founding-father-michele-bachmann-says-yes.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.abcnews.com/georg...yes.html</a> And this nugget: "Stephanopoulos: In your announcement you said 'my voice is part of a movement to take back our country.' From whom? Bachmann: **Well, from the people all across the nation.** The voice that I learned growing up in Iowa was a very reasonable common sense voice and that is one that I’ve learned, that I’ve taken to – very successfully to the halls of Congress. And now I want to take that to the White House so that we can get the country back on the right track and get job creation going. That’s the message that’s resonating with people and that’s why so many people have been going to my new website that we launched, michelebachmann.com. They are joining up on Facebook and Twitter. It’s really a growing movement, we’re in New Hampshire today and we’re on our way down to South Carolina to start our bus tour so we are very excited with the response from people all across the country." ** emphasis mine. My comment: WT...?!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 and just recently added John Quincy Adams to her list of Founding Fathers<< The reason she did that was to try to save face after the original howler of a statement. Someone must have told her that JQA was an abolitionist, so she said "yeah, that's the ticket. That's what I meant. All along." Just a few little problems with that. A) it's not what she said; b) JQA wasn't a founding father (he was 8 when the DOI was signed) and c) even he didn't live to see the end of slavery. By trying to salvage herself, she just compounded how dumb she looked. Predictably, her people are blaming the media.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 She actually said the John Quincy Adams thing the first time she made the founding-fathers-abolished-slavery thing. It is not a new claim for her.
