Originally Posted By oneyepete ^^ I agree. I go to DCA during the day only. I used to go at night when they had ELP, but only for that reason.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Yep, and we all know what happens when people spend more time in the parks and are happily entertained: they spend more money.
Originally Posted By pitapan16 WOC strikes me as something that could potentially bring in more guests than most of the other new things in the pipeline with the exception of the big Cars ride and Little Mermaid attraction. If nothing else it will be a huge incentive for visitors to stay in the park after dark, something that DCA desperately needs." Rides and spectacular shows usually bring the crowds in, but the quality of the themeing in and out of the park itself keeps people immersed outside of just riding rides and watching shows. It's a major part of a Disney park. Disneyland would be only half the park it is now if the lands and themes were dummed down to mediocrity instead of immersive Main Street, New Orleans Square, Fantasyland, Adventureland, exc.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt ^^I agree with that wholeheartedly, but I think I'd take a spectacular show on the lagoon over-the-top themed shops selling more character junk if I had to choose. I think I can safely say that oo one goes to DCA just to go shopping. Besides, if the shops aren't redone now they will be some day.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan << Hans Reinhardt "Will WOC save the park? No. Will new rides do it ? Yes." Does DCA need saving? WOC strikes me as something that could potentially bring in more guests than most of the other new things in the pipeline with the exception of the big Cars ride and Little Mermaid attraction. If nothing else it will be a huge incentive for visitors to stay in the park after dark, something that DCA desperately needs>> WOC will essentially do the same thing that the Electrical Parade did. It will bring in people for the shows, but beyond that, it's up to the rest of the park to keep them there,
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "WOC will essentially do the same thing that the Electrical Parade did. It will bring in people for the shows, but beyond that, it's up to the rest of the park to keep them there," Since its debut in 1972, and between DLP, Disneyland, and WDW, how many people have seen TMSEP? Tens of millions. Now, how many people have seen WOC? See the difference in the potential drawing power?
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>Most of the changes being discussed here are cosmetic anyway. It's not like their ripping out the shops and installing some hot new ride. I, like everyone, would like DCA to improve, but most of the stuff being put on the back burner isn't that significant. If they said World of Color was being canceled, for example, I'd be worried.<<< I'm giving Disney 10 years to get it all together. So I'm not going to stress over deferring upgrades on admittedly lesser aspects so that they can funnel more money into major additions. If by 2018 there are still parts of DCA (and specifically PP) 1.0 that still exist unimproved and deficient compared to the more recent improved parts, then that's when it's apparent that the company doesn't care. And that's where my biggest fears lie: That the big things that Disney does now will be enough to drive attendance and guest spending to levels that Disney is looking for that they'll suddenly then decide that it's good enough, and put the brakes on all the "finishing touches". Under that scenario, we'd get Cars Land and World of Color and Little Mermaid and Buena Vista Street... and lots more attendance. ...resulting in still having to suffer through a depressing pit of an unimproved Fun Wheel queue, ugly unimproved Screamin' queue, and forever have the Maliboomer and Mulholland Madness ruining the view.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>Does DCA need saving?<<< Yes. Otherwise, they wouldn't be spending all that money to upgrade it. >>>WOC strikes me as something that could potentially bring in more guests than most of the other new things in the pipeline with the exception of the big Cars ride and Little Mermaid attraction.<<< I agree. Disney parks are equally known for their big entertainment spectacles as they are for their attractions. >>>If nothing else it will be a huge incentive for visitors to stay in the park after dark, something that DCA desperately needs.<<< TDA has been hoping for something to accomplish that for a long time. The rush of folks exiting DCA for Disneyland just before Disneyland fireworks fire off has been a major issue. The Electrical Parade didn't keep 'em in DCA, nor did Luminaria. I think WOC probably will.
Originally Posted By avromark I can't help but remember the old adage "You have to spend money to make money" sadly Disney is not alone amongst corporations that think the consumer should just throw money there way. Also priority. Does TDA need more Executives, or should Parks & Resorts maybe get a few more front line / middle line people? Should maybe improved benefits be offered to attract (and keep once the economy picks up) the better quality CM? Should the park guest expect something for the $ they spent on admission, or should they be happy with mild off the shelf items? For me if the "quality" is your signature touch, well give me quality (Or show me you're constantly improving so I feel good when I spend my money there). If your signature is "Work Tough", well don't give me a Pick-Up that has a 50 lb payload capacity. Would I love an entire remake? You bet, Would I settle for a good attraction / show and some improvement every year? Yep. As stated earlier Disneyland itself was constantly changing (expanding/adding) if that trends continues then yes next year I will come back. I *must* come back.
Originally Posted By disneysnout ...I agree with DL2001... If this fix works, will they feel its complete? I dont think so...DL is pretty close to perfect, have they stoped? No
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt >>>Does DCA need saving?<<< "Yes. Otherwise, they wouldn't be spending all that money to upgrade it." Please, let's not start THAT debate again.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I dont think so...DL is pretty close to perfect, have they stoped?" Actually, I think they have for the most part. All of the big future development slated for Anaheim is outside Disneyland's gates. Yes, there are few things here and there, but nothing on the scope or scale of what's in the pipeline for the hotels, DCA, and DtD. At this point there would be very little return possible on a major overhaul at DL. The real finacial growth potential for Disney in Anaheim is not at DL.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Well I'm going to bring this up again - I still think that Tony Baxter would like to be associated with a major new DL addition. And he'd like to have it done and open before his retirement. Both Baxter and Lasseter are carrying a lot of influence right now on DLs short term future. Between the two of them, I'd like to think they've got a rabbit or two up their sleeves about new attractions for the original park. And whatever it may be, it needs to start coming together sooner rather than later. I'm hoping for hard rumors within the next year or two.
Originally Posted By bean Their intentions is to have some major new Draws for both DCA and disneyland between 2010 and 2016. The whole point of that is to prepare both of those gates for an opening of a third gat soon after
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<Hans Reinhardt "WOC will essentially do the same thing that the Electrical Parade did. It will bring in people for the shows, but beyond that, it's up to the rest of the park to keep them there," Since its debut in 1972, and between DLP, Disneyland, and WDW, how many people have seen TMSEP? Tens of millions. Now, how many people have seen WOC? See the difference in the potential drawing power?>> Let me rephrase that: WOC will essentially do the same thing that the Electrical Parade did FOR DCA. What MSEP did for other parks is not relevant.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt It is relevant because people travel from park to park. For example I've seen the MSEP at DL, WDW, DLP and DCA. WOC will be a show unique to DCA.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>It is relevant because people travel from park to park. For example I've seen the MSEP at DL, WDW, DLP and DCA.<<< Actually, I think the vast majority So. Cal. DLR visitor has only seen the MSEP at Disneyland. Nowhere else. Most don't hop from park to park across the globe like folks on these boards. And bottom line is, MSEP did NOTHING to advance the blip at DCA. MSEP increased nighttime attendance at Disneyland, DECADES ago. When they dug it out of the grave and resurrected it for DCA, folks saw the stunt for the desperate attempt to draw attendance that it was, and it became just one of numerous attempts that failed in that regard. >>>WOC will be a show unique to DCA.<<< Yes, and if it is as awesome as it's all cracked up to be, it will definitely pack 'em in. And with all the new stuff and more thematically rich environments, there will be more reasons for them to stay after the show each night. At long last.
Originally Posted By ni_teach Hans Reinhardt asked: "Will WOC save the park?" By itself heck no. However, it will bring the night back to the DCA. I always thought the park looked great at night and it was a shame that the whole park closed so early at night. But I have a feeling that the WOC will be very popular making it one of the must see shows of the resort. While there are cuts to the budget for the DCA so far we have not heard of any cuts to new attractions. Which is very good news. Years ago right after the DCA open, I gave my review of the park and talk about how disappointed I was in the few number of attractions. My summery was simple: "It's about the rides". I think that the new attractions will fix many of the original problems the DCA had.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Yes, and if it is as awesome as it's all cracked up to be, it will definitely pack 'em in. And with all the new stuff and more thematically rich environments, there will be more reasons for them to stay after the show each night." I agree. >Hans Reinhardt asked: "Will WOC save the park?"< I didn't ask that. I asked if the park needs saving.
