Originally Posted By Darkbeer IMHO, yes DCA does need saving, and WOC won't be the solution. WOC will bring in a lot of AP holders who will want to watch the show, and hopefully it will be the success Disney wants and have them come back multiple times and tell there freiends how good it is. But it is RIDES/Attractions that is the big need, and Little Mermaid and CarsLand are the main pieces of the puzzle as to how to increase the amount of people buying one day tickets just to DCA. If the two expected "E" tickets deliver on the quality, that might be the turning point to making the park at least somewhat close to Disneyland. (And of course, not in volume, but in "WOW").
Originally Posted By ArchtMig ^^^Yes, but like every other single ride they've added since opening day, Cars and Little Mermaid will only get the folks in during the day. Like me, they'll just do a commando raid on the few rides they want to get on, then hightail it outta there for Disneyland as soon as they can. WOC (along with more immersive environments) is what is needed to keep them in after dark. Cars and Little Mermaid won't keep 'em in at night all by themselves. It's this "whole-istic" approach (if I may coin that word) that is needed in a well rounded Disney park... attractions, entertainment, and immersive environments... that was so lacking in every aspect in DCA 1.0 and what the company recognizes they need to hurry up and fix. All aspects working together as a whole.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig Just re-read Darkbeer's post #61. Honestly, how many people just buy a single day one-park pass anymore?? I can't imagine it being a large proportion of daily guests. Maybe I'm wrong. But my contention is the same. Anyone who is gonna shell out for a one-day pass to just DCA alone is going to want to experience the triumverate of Disney magic in terms of entertainment (ie WOC), environments (ie Buena Vista Street), as well as attractions. All three are critical to success,
Originally Posted By pitapan16 Years ago right after the DCA open, I gave my review of the park and talk about how disappointed I was in the few number of attractions. My summery was simple: "It's about the rides". I think that the new attractions will fix many of the original problems the DCA had. " -I don't want to say a Disney park is not about "ride" attractions, but to me it's alot more than just that. The immersiveness of the themed envirements and beautiful park settings are so enjoyable I've spent a whole day at the Disneyland and California Adventure without going on more than a handful of rides. I think it's really a 50/50 split in importance to Disney because a Disney park is not a Disney park with one without the other. Park enviroment and great attractions in variation from large to small are both important in a great park. For me, I'll take a park that has more immersiveness in enviroment than a larger lineup of attractions. Animal Kingdom and California Adventure come to mind as opposite parallels. I'll take AK.
Originally Posted By pitapan16 It's this "whole-istic" approach (if I may coin that word) that is needed in a well rounded Disney park... attractions, entertainment, and immersive environments... that was so lacking in every aspect in DCA 1.0 and what the company recognizes they need to hurry up and fix. All aspects working together as a whole." -Agreed 100%
Originally Posted By bean Some people underestimate the potential of a large production show. It is a proven fact that Disney has been able to increase attendance to their gates with more than just attractions. Fantasmic, and Remember brought in thousands of paying guests when they premiered. The Christmas offerings which included a firework show and snow effect also help increase the popularity of the Holidays. MGM studios attendance count grew significantly when Fantasmic was added just like the diferent versions of water based shows in Epcot. WOC if showcased as planned could very well be a huge draw just like other big attractions. The other advantage is that it is a night show so even if guests are lured from disneyland in the evening they will help bring extra revenue thru puchases. Believe it or not when Disneyland is extremely packed Disney looses some revenue from purchases because many people will prefer not wait in long lines for food and merchandise. For those that pay one day admission to DCA alone it will icnrease there stay. At the end ticket revenue is not as important as the overal resort revenue that new attractions and or big shows produce.
Originally Posted By bean Has anyone notice the amount of money people spend while sitting around waiting for fantasmic or any of the parade, fireworks and other entertainment? That is what makes Burbank and TDA happy. One day ticket sells plays a minor part of what constitutes a succesful business day. That is the reason why management is not afraid to give complimentary tickets away so easy. A free ticket basically brings in a guest that might have not planned on visiting. That "FREE" visit most likely will end up costing the guest a parking fee, food costs, merchandise costs. Compare that to what Disney would spend on that "FREE" guest...nothing (well maybe a few cents for the cost of the ticket and postage if mailed) by the way has anyone noticed the 2fer comercials lately? anyone notice the change in wording?
Originally Posted By pitapan16 Interesting and informative comments about the pull that major shows at Disney parks have shown and about the way the guests spending ties in directly to TDA/Burbanks accounting of a successful business day per guest. And no, I havent seen the commercials or the change in wording, could you clarify them for me please?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>Honestly, how many people just buy a single day one-park pass anymore?? << Last time I got an "internal" break down, Disneyland Park has about 20% of its admissions from Single Day, Single Park tickets. And one BIG Difference between WOC and things like Little Mermaid and Carsland.... When it is available. WOC is going to be opffered JUST in the evening, partally as a plan to keep guests in the park in the eveneing (and another reason the AP's will be a major factor). On the other Hand, things like Little Mermaid and CarsLand will be available from park opening to closing, impacting a LOT more guests than a show in the evening. As I understand it, WOC viewing area being built is designed for about 9,000 guests.
Originally Posted By disneysnout I Couldnt of said it better, D.B..Ride/Attractions are needed. WOC will keep guest coming however will this increase single day tickets? Sure, close to Disneyland? I dont see that happening.
Originally Posted By bean here is a good example of how admission tickets play only a small part of the revenue intake. <a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/business_tourism_aviation/2009/01/amid-economic-troubles-seaworld-launches-deep-discount.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c...unt.html</a> Amid economic troubles, SeaWorld launches deep discount posted by Jason Garcia on Jan 30, 2009 2:46:40 PM Discuss This: Comments (0) | TrackBack (0) | Linking Blogs | Add to del.icio.us | Digg it With the economy still tanking, SeaWorld Orlando is rolling out an especially deep discount. The company has launched a deal in which guests who book three nights in any of nearly two-dozen nearby hotels get two extra nights free — plus unlimited admission for the week to SeaWorld and either its sister water park, Aquatica, or Busch Gardens Tampa Bay. It’s the first time SeaWorld and its sister parks, operated by Busch Entertainment Corp., have offered such a promotion. Packages start at $561 for a family of four, the equivalent of $28.05 per person a day. They must be purchased by March 31 and are good for most days through June 26. As you could see SeaWorlds new discount program basically gives its parks away. Their main focus is to bring tourist to the area and have them spend money within the parks. in other words the constant reminder by some people on whether or not DCA gets enough one day park purchass is really irrelevant. The more important thing is whether the park is keeping guests at the resort longer. Obviously attractions are the number one draw for any theme park but Disney has done extremely well doing similiar things with major entertainment offerings.
Originally Posted By dshyates I think of the major entertainment offerings such as Wishes, Believe, Fantasmic, Illuminations as attractions. Just like I think of Aladdin, BatB, and Philharmagic as attractions. I think WOC will go along way into turning DCA into a full day park. And if they could come up with an afternoon "Signiture" parade. Not this PIXAR Craptacular thing, but a real Grand Parade. This isn't ian idea I would have supported several years ago, but how about each float represnt a different iconic Californian local. And have a Disney character on each float in a humerous vignette. You know, Chips & Ale on the Yosemite float, Mulan and Mushu on the Chinatown float (spouting small scale fireworks), and the last float......wait for it.... Miss. Piggy (That's "Ms." Piggy to you, move over Minnie, "Moi" is here) on the Hollywood float.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Yes, but like every other single ride they've added since opening day, Cars and Little Mermaid will only get the folks in during the day. Like me, they'll just do a commando raid on the few rides they want to get on, then hightail it outta there for Disneyland as soon as they can. WOC (along with more immersive environments) is what is needed to keep them in after dark. Cars and Little Mermaid won't keep 'em in at night all by themselves." That's exactly right. If they were only adding rides that still wouldn't be enough to end the comparisons to DL next door. DCA must have a signature nigttime show that blows people away in order to get people to stop running across the Esplanade when darkness falls.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Believe it or not when Disneyland is extremely packed Disney looses some revenue from purchases because many people will prefer not wait in long lines for food and merchandise." Oh I believe it. I'm one of those people.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I agree - I don't care how good people say the ice cream is on Main St. I won't wait in the line when it's nearly to the door!
Originally Posted By pitapan16 As you could see SeaWorlds new discount program basically gives its parks away. Their main focus is to bring tourist to the area and have them spend money within the parks. in other words the constant reminder by some people on whether or not DCA gets enough one day park purchass is really irrelevant. The more important thing is whether the park is keeping guests at the resort longer. Obviously attractions are the number one draw for any theme park but Disney has done extremely well doing similiar things with major entertainment offerings." -Very interesting bean, thanks for sharing. The time spent at the resort is a major major factor in operating income to Disney. Makes the actual ticket sales alot less relevant to being the absolute money maker at Disneyland for me.
Originally Posted By bean "72 NEW! dshyates Sat 1/31/2009 5:24a This isn't ian idea I would have supported several years ago, but how about each float represnt a different iconic Californian local. And have a Disney character on each float in a humerous vignette. You know, Chips & Ale on the Yosemite float, Mulan and Mushu on the Chinatown float (spouting small scale fireworks), and the last float......wait for it.... Miss. Piggy (That's "Ms." Piggy to you, move over Minnie, "Moi" is here) on the Hollywood float. " hey should have done that with Eureka instead of just cancelling the parade and literaly destroying it. When they realized people wanted characters they should have integrated them into the floats. All the floats could have easily fit a set of characters perfectly. They had a beach and extreme sports float that could have had goofy and Max. Chinese section could have had Mulan an mushu spanish section could have had the three caballeros they could have even had other characters at the end dressed in the diferent nationalities at the end of the parade instead of just regular flag bearers. Could have saved a great parade and added what people wanted. Instead they figured they could save DCA's entertainment by waiting a couple years and bringing back MSEP
Originally Posted By bean 76 pitapan16 Sat 1/31/2009 10:23p -Very interesting bean, thanks for sharing. The time spent at the resort is a major major factor in operating income to Disney. Makes the actual ticket sales alot less relevant to being the absolute money maker at Disneyland for me." Exactly, People are most likely to think they could spend more in the parks because they did not have to pay for a ticket. Its a win/win situation for Disney, Busch Gardens, Universal and other major theme parks. Many of those people would probably not visit if it was not for the free admission. The trick though is to know when to stop the promotions and or to market them. Disney has done it every year even before DCA was open. They used to offer a Southern California Salute. That offer basically allowed people to buy a ticket for 1/2 price for Disneyland. The 2fer is the same deal but rebranded. You basically still get both parks at 1/2 price. The gimmick in Disney's favor is that it is for two days. This kind of forces people to visit the resort twice. That second visit requires guests to pay parking fees and brings in revenue from food and possibly merchandise again. If people do not visit the second time to se the balace of the ticket then they basically paid full price for the ticket on the first visit. Obviously some of those guests have gotten clever and are reselling their tickets illegally on ebay but even then Disney does not loose because those buing those tickets will most likely generate more revenue in merchandise than the guests that visited just a few days/weeks prior.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains You know I really think they should extend the s.cal deals to all ca. residents... those of us in n.cal spend money when we come down and enticing us to go down would only benifit disney!
Originally Posted By avromark They should extend the deal to anyone whose e-mail ends in .ca as well.
