Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I guess I could be a bit more understanding about Bush's mistakes if he wasn't so headstrong and stubborn about the reality of the war today. He still seems determined to only focus on what he wants to see and what he wants to do. It wouldn't matter if the entire world (including all americans) told him that the war was a huge mistake, I don't think he'd admit it. That makes him far more dangerous than someone who would just lie for money, in my opinion.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj << Again, MY point was more based around the fact that there is a clear LACK of respect between the former and current president...coupled with the fact that George the first has a clear, special fondness for Jeb. >> I saw a recent interview with President Bush where he was asked how often he talks with his father. He responded that he calls his mom and dad about once a month and talks for about 20 minutes -- and they never discuss politics. I found this to be remarkably unbelievable, and if it is true, pretty weird. What person on good terms with their parents only calls them once a month? I talk with my parents several times a week and we cover a broad range of topics -- certainly more than 20 minutes. As I get older, I find myself calling up my parents more and more. They are great to consult on matters that they have already experienced in their life and can be a real help. Why wouldn't our President of the United States be the same way with his parents -- particularly since they have been in the same position before? I just think it is really weird. I hope his statement to the news reporter isn't really true and was just some public relations mumbo jumbo. That statement alone almost bothers me more than the whole war in Iraq -- it makes me think that our president doesn't really have the same sort of emotions or feelings about family as the rest of us and lives in some strange isolated world.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I found this to be remarkably unbelievable, and if it is true, pretty weird.<< I don't believe that, either. But I don't think Halliburton put him up to saying that. ; ) He (or an advisor) probably thinks it would appear 'weak' if he said he asked his dad for advice from time to time. It would be nice if our politicians would be a little more real from time to time.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, at least one Bush no longer holds office as Jeb is out as of today.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I'm curious, wahoo, do you think Jeb's actions recarding Terri Schiavo (sp?) was one of the reasons he lost?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper He didn't lose. His term was up and he couldn't run again. If the state constitution had allowed...he would have won again in a landslide. He was a very popular governor. Charlie Crist, a Republican, is our new Governor and he was also involved in the Schiavo case but it didn't seem to hamper him.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan He has a 60% approval rating but couldn't run again due to term limits.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Hm, regretting my decision to not just do a little research on my own. LOL Interesting though, thanks for answering.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper It is often said, here in Florida, that the wrong Bush aspired to the Presidency. Jeb has said many times he wasn't interested in being President. Of course, that might change some day. But, he has some family issues that might hinder a run. His daughter has a drug problem and his wife is not very personable. She spent most of the last 8 years in South Florida while he was in Tallahassee.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Yes, it's a problem when people believe emotions rather than facts." The thing is that as time goes on your belief as to what the facts are gets harder and harder to accept. As to the rest, there is an old saying. Don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetency.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I keep going back to "we're not succeeding fast enough." That one's a laugh riot. The Cubs aren't succeeding fast enough, either.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I guess I could be a bit more understanding about Bush's mistakes if he wasn't so headstrong and stubborn about the reality of the war today. He still seems determined to only focus on what he wants to see and what he wants to do. It wouldn't matter if the entire world (including all americans) told him that the war was a huge mistake, I don't think he'd admit it.<< Exactly. This attitude is why he did ignore evidence that Iraq didn't have WMDs. I really don't care whether he lied or not. I care about his need to be right in the face of overwhelming evidence that he is wrong. His last few supporters see Bush not caring about what anyone else thinks or says and "staying the course" as some sort of positive trait or asset. I see it as stubborn, stupid, and ultimately dangerous.
Originally Posted By gadzuux So when does bush give us his speech about the "bold new direction" for iraq? If you remember it was supposed to be before christmas, but he begged off until after the holidays. He's also got the SOTU coming up at the end of the month, and of course he gave a eulogy today for president ford. Enough with the foot dragging - I want to know what the plan is for iraq. He took his own sweet time during the holiday season, but it's over now and some actual leadership is required.
Originally Posted By jonvn There is no direction to go to except two: Leave, or kill nearly everyone there. He has painted us into a corner where we never needed to be. History will paint him as one of the most inept leaders a superpower has had.
Originally Posted By gadzuux The people in charge of "history" are the same people who will be paying the trillion dollar deficits that he's racked up. That will make a BIG impression on them.
Originally Posted By jonvn This nation will be made even poorer by this. People will slip even further into poverty, and the middle class will go completely extinct. The debt has to be paid somehow, or the world economy will utterly collapse on a scale never before seen in the world. Happy new year.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> ... and the middle class will go completely extinct. << I think that's the general idea. The middle class used to be where the real economic power resided in this country. But that's changing - and fast.
