Originally Posted By wahooskipper I don't want anyone from either party at this point. We need a strong personality to come out as Independent and put up a real challenge to the 2-party system.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe My man Joe Lieberman who I voted for in a primary in 92? He lost of course.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, Ross Perot proved it could be done. I've said many times that if he hadn't have gone all wacko he would have made a pretty significant force. Imagine if he would have kept sane, and...even more importantly, if he had been tall and good looking. Yes folks, that matters to Americans.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Nancy Pelosi has about as much of a chance to get elected as Hillary Clinton does. << You missed the point. She doesn't have to "get elected", just impeach bush and cheney. As speaker of the house, she automatically becomes president without a single ballot cast.
Originally Posted By Shooba I don't think Bush has done a good job, not by a long shot. However, just about every criticism I have about him now I had when he was running for re-election. The time to end his presidency was then. The fact that he was re-elected will always mystify me, but the voters decided to bring him back and he should finish his term. A democrat led impeachment of Bush in 2006 would just make American politics even uglier. (And since I'm not American, my expertise on this subject is limited at best, of course)
Originally Posted By gadzuux It's tempting to look at it as some kind of 'payback' for what the GOP did to clinton, but really it's not comparable at all. We all know the circumstances surrounding the charges for clinton's impeachment, so let's not rehash it all again. Suffice it to say that some people were appalled, but most didn't care. With bush it's a completely different situation. The charges would be pertaining to malfeasance of office and/or abuse of power. Also, it is the job of congress to act in an oversight capacity of the executive branch. The current GOP led congress has not fulfilled that role. In fact, much of the current corruption is within congress itself. >> A democrat led impeachment of Bush in 2006 would just make American politics even uglier. << It could be argued that the current 'ugliness' is directly traceable to the GOP. I don't believe this country has ever experienced this type of divisive and polarizing political shenanigans in its history. I'll say one thing though, bush promised to be a "uniter" in his 2000 acceptance speech and he had some golden opportunities to do just that. He did the opposite. But it's all worked out - now americans are all united against him. Funny old world.
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Originally Posted By gadzuux You're not getting it. Bush may be out of the white house before his second term expires. How long do you think he can represent "we the people" without the support of "we the people"?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy LOL, how is Bush going to be out of the White House before his term is up gadzuux? Instead of these impeachment fantasies that would put my man Cheney in charge, you might want to get your excuses ready for the next lost election coming up soon. You can always go to the " voting machine was rigged " card. That's one of my favorites from the tinfoil hat crowd.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <It could be argued that the current 'ugliness' is directly traceable to the GOP. I don't believe this country has ever experienced this type of divisive and polarizing political shenanigans in its history. < it can also be traced to the liberal media and the spin on everything, as well as certain divisive Democrats like Teddy and John Kerry - Pelosi and countless others. To blame one party for the issues that exists is to have one's head stuck in the sand -- there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides and most people are sick of it-- as well as sick of the pointing the finger at one party like they are the bad guy and the other party is Johnny Angel... right now politics is full of scumbags out for themselves on both sides of the political fence. And wastes of human space like Michael Moore on one side and Pat Robertson at the other end...those are the problems..
Originally Posted By JohnS1 The very thought of Pelosi as president made me shudder as I haven't shuddered since I watched Sleeping Beauty as a kid and thought of Malificent as Queen!
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Trman had a 23% approval rating Gad at one time and now he is regarded by many as one of our greatest Presidents so don't impeach and convict George just yet.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> It can also be traced to the liberal media and the spin on everything, as well as certain divisive Democrats like Teddy and John Kerry - Pelosi and countless others. << Kerry, kennedy, pelosi and others are not in power - they have little to no ability to enact policy. Yet when you look at the tactics of the republican party, through karl rove, it's clear that their was a deliberate strategy to divide the electorate. Wedge issues like gay marriage, immigration, abortion, and the vietnam war were used by the GOP to paint the opposition as godless unamerican heathens. It worked among the more gullible - beau is still posting to this day about what a fairy lovin' traitor john kerry is. To these folks, bush is a common man of the people, a war hero, a role model of holiness and spirituality, and a decisive visionary leader. Never mind that there's years of solid reporting available that show he's actually a coddled scion draft-dodging alcoholic failed businessman with the moral compass of a career criminal - they don't want to know those facts. It's easy to dismiss this as "finger-pointing" or sour grapes, but facts are facts, and putting them out there in public view isn't doing anybody a disservice. You can lead a horse to water ...
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Originally Posted By cape cod joe career criminal? I still can't believe that paragraph.Talk about libel!
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Do you have any clue about what you're talking about Gad?? I quit drinking before I crossed that invisible line as I think George quit when he actually WAS an alcoholic. It's too much to explain as it takes years of study Gad. I think you should really think twice before posting about stuff you know little. I hope you DON'T get redded out so people can see the ... I won't say it.
