Originally Posted By gadzuux Apparently I know more than you about this topic. According to the AA creed there's no such thing as "WAS an alcoholic". Let us know how those "years of study" are going. And look - you're getting caught up in the minutia. The larger point is that bush supporters have a skewed impression of who he really is. They've listened to rhetoric and they've believed it. And when people who are opposed to bush point out these 'misconceptions' people say that it's "divisive" or the blatherings of a "liberal media".
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Your last sentence is correct Gad as he is a typical bull ..politician but as I told my daughter in the election of 2000 when she asked if George lied too like Gore, I said "not as much" sad or what but a politician has to stretch it a little and that is why Joe Lieberman, the most honest man in Washington lost> he's honest. Gad-----You're in over your head on the alcoholic question. Trust me but I am not a very good writer or teacher so you must do r and d yourself.
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Originally Posted By cape cod joe Okay Gad but 2 Jamicans just left laughing thinking I was in need of help after I told them "Too much gange" here! So maybe I need the help more than you do
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Kerry, kennedy, pelosi and others are not in power - they have little to no ability to enact policy. < Power is not only being able to enact policy -- power is the ability to influence people
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And look - you're getting caught up in the minutia. The larger point is that bush supporters have a skewed impression of who he really is. They've listened to rhetoric and they've believed it. And when people who are opposed to bush point out these 'misconceptions' people say that it's "divisive" or the blatherings of a "liberal media". < for someone who has all the answers, you keep missing the obvious one that many people opposed to Bush fail to face...many people did not vote for George Bush the man, they voted against the policies of the Democrats...it wouldn't have mattered who the Rep candidate was... get a platform that actually says something and represents common American's and maybe the outcome will be different. Continue to let those at the far left control the rhetoric for the Dem party and make the headlines and you'll find out again in '06 it doesn;t matter who else it is... and don't be fooled that the Clinton name will be gold...Hillary is not Bill for most of us... Sit back and figure it out -- Bush did not have stellar support numbers before the last election and what happened. There is a whole moderate voting base out there looking for something or someone right now...trotting out teddy Kennedy and John Kerry and people with opinons like Pelosi or headline grabbers like Moore, only push that group further away.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 As a perfect example- I did not vote for Bill Clinton - and was not a supporter of some things he did, but even as a registered GOP, I vote split ticket all the time......if Bill was allowed to run again I would probably vote for him over anyone else I see on the horizon right now....even hard for me to type that but it would be true ( but he'd have to leave Hillary in NY)
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> ... many people did not vote for George Bush the man, they voted against the policies of the Democrats. << I partly agree. The democrats were unable to get out in front of the message, and spent too much time counter-responding to the outrageous allegations made from the GOP side. Like that kerry is a war criminal and a traitor while bush is a war hero. This only works on really dumb people, but that's who you've got voting republican in all those red states. >> Continue to let those at the far left control the rhetoric for the Dem party and make the headlines and you'll find out again in '06 it doesn;t matter who else it is... << The democratic platform in `04 was not "far left". But it was mischaracterized by the right as being about abortion, gay marriage, and pulling out of iraq. The dems failed to get their message through the din. The result? Almost 40% of bush voters said that "moral issues" (read: gays/abortion) were the most important issues we face. I'm beyond disappointed with those 40% of americans - they're hopeless. And they're obviously not paying attention - anybody who thinks that gays and abortion are the big pressing issues today deserves whatever they get. What the GOP got right was realizing just how gullible and susceptible this demographic is. You reach them through the pulpit and they'll do whatever you tell them. That's why they vote for economic policies that takes money from them and transfers it to the wealthy. The dems can't reach these folks - reason alone won't work with them, they need a sign from god.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Very rational posts 55 as usual. I did like that vette story. You had and still have brass............ The house and the real estate is for my wife too, but the vette?????????
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <This only works on really dumb people, but that's who you've got voting republican in all those red states< see, this is the type of comment that loses you all credibility when you are making other good points. All this Blue - red crapola- and the Dems think they are smarter - get a grip on reality. I voted Republican and have been a member of Mensa ( and 99.9% society) - and I know many bright people that voted GOP last time. How does the large blue brain explain that? Living in California or any other 'blue state' does not make one more intelligent....and by repeating stupid comments that come from the far left 'intellectuals' you will never get the moderates to listen to a word you say. I think you make some excellent points, but after that comment - which the media seems to find cute also -- I forget everything else you say and focus on the bull.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Also who are you or the Dems or the GOP to tell ALL Americans what the issues are or aren't. People decide for themselves what issues make them vote one way or the other. So you tell Americans that abortion is not an issue when Christians make up the largest religious voting block - just how bright is that ? You would think the large blue brains would figure out that maybe, just maybe it is an issue. And telling people it is not an issue is no going to convince them. You paragraph is like a Cliff's Notes version of why people get so ticked at the Dem side over the past 2 elections-- I hate to tell you but I don't need someone to do my thinking for me, I want someone who will listen -- a skill not learned in the last 7 years by the supremely intelligent party.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Abortion and gay rights have been around as "issues" for a lifetime. They're not going anywhere. In the meantime we have a government that is steering our nation into ruin through deceit, subterfuge, arrogance, incompetence and downright lying. This is "new". This is the very definition of "pressing issue". People who say they voted based on the "moral values" issues are missing the bigger picture. So why did they choose that? Because they were convinced that it was the truth. Classic misdirection. But it only works if they don't know any better and don't follow current events. These are the "dumb ones" I'm referring to. Don't get all huffy-like. I'm not saying that everybody who voted for bush is an idiot. But I am saying that plenty of them were. And that they based their vote on bogus reasoning that wasn't even their own. >> People decide for themselves what issues make them vote one way or the other. << And people that make "bad" decisions are often "dumb". Such as decisions that run counter to their own best interests, and decisions made with either no information or wrong information. I don't have any evidence to back me up on this, but it's my belief that these "decisions" are really just the endorsement of someone they trust. They know they don't have enough information to make a decision, so they go with the decision of someone they trust and look up to. >> Living in California or any other 'blue state' does not make one more intelligent << No, but living in a red state can make you dumber.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy VBdad, good to see you back. You bring a lot to the section. <Kerry, kennedy, pelosi and others are not in power - they have little to no ability to enact policy.>> They have the ability to block policy and be obstrutionists. What they don't have is the abilty to do anything other than bash the president or pander to the polls. They certainly don't have any vision for America or any ideas. And yes, Kerry was a traitor and a hero to the Viet Cong. He sucks even worse than France.... which is funny because he looks French.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks Beau, had time to decompress - now back at it ! I see you occasionally in WDW also....
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And people that make "bad" decisions are often "dumb". Such as decisions that run counter to their own best interests, and decisions made with either no information or wrong information. I don't have any evidence to back me up on this, but it's my belief that these "decisions" are really just the endorsement of someone they trust. They know they don't have enough information to make a decision, so they go with the decision of someone they trust and look up to. < neither party has a lock on this --which is why you won;t find information to back youu up --somehow you are believing that people in this state or that are more informed etc. First off rarely does a majority of the population even show up to vote. What does that make the non voters in your book - dumb or smart ? And you're saying that an equal number of voters didn;t vote Kerry because they believed someone who told them Bush was bad -- or their union told them they had to vote Democratic -- or like here in Chicago their precinct captain told them there is only one party to vote for if you want your garnage picked up or your snow plowed. Please spare me the red state = dumb people argument -- there are plenty of dumb people for each side as well as those who don't vote then complain. If people didn't vote AGAINST candidates instead fo for their own, neither side would bother to run negative ads now would they? And YES, both sides run negative ads....
Originally Posted By cape cod joe 55--you are starting to sound fair and balanced like someone else I know! We seem to have a lot in common except that car thing. If this Orlandoopoly keeps on going the way it's going I might go bicep too> muscle car like you.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ don;t do it -- 99.9% of cars a losing proposition the minute you leave the showroom........but when I watch Barrett-Jackson auctions, there are a few I use to own I'd like to have back now -- 6 figure cars restored today
