Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>This ride, while it looks fun, will certainly be less attractive if it's pulling in 45-60 minute waits. For that kind of wait time, I expect -- and I hesitate to say it -- an E-ticket experience.<< That's a good point. I know that at Disneyland, Peter Pan's Flight is often 45+. It's a cool little ride, but an hour wait for it is a bit too long for me. I can see long waits for the Dwarfs coaster. First, it's a coaster -- even Gadget's Go-Coaster, which is incredibly short, attracts a steady crowd. Second, loading/unload time won't be super fast, all the safety checks to make sure lap bars etc. are in place takes some time, too.
Originally Posted By piratebrittany When we asked the rep about FPs he said they haven't yet determined if they want to put FPs in or not. He said that while they expected elevated attendance upon the attraction's opening, it was still unclear to whether FPs would be entirely necessary. Perhaps within the last coupld of days they have made a decision against them though?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm completely confused as to why anyone would think this charming indoor/outdoor highly themed family coaster would be a downgrade to Snow White's Adventures. Seriously.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo To be fair, not everything with long waits are e tickets. Dumbo at DLP often has hour long waits. It is no e ticket and we rarely bother with it unless it is emh first thing in the am.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""I'm completely confused as to why anyone would think this charming indoor/outdoor highly themed family coaster would be a downgrade to Snow White's Adventures"" Omg really? BECAUSE the enviornments/settings that have been the raison d'etre for EVERY Snow dark ride will no longer exist. Snow White worked because of the strengnth of the enviornments (The Queens Castle, the Dungeons, the Frightning Forest, going INTO the Dwarfs Cottage), all done in black light. This will all be GONE. All we will now be enveloped with is......trees......rocks....water..trees....and TWO scenes. EPIC.
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct >>>> I'm completely confused as to why anyone would think this charming indoor/outdoor highly themed family coaster would be a downgrade to Snow White's Adventures. Seriously. >>>>> Agreed. no one ranks on Casey Jr. and this Dwarf Coaste looks like a *plussed* version of Casey Jr. What is wrong with THAT ?! And as many have pointed out, the old Snow White dark ride was just an embarrassment. I can't be anything but excited for the whole Fantasland project. I haven't felt this way since SPLASH was built. So much beauty is coming to the most ugly Fantasyland. I won't be able to say that soon ))) This whole thing wreaks of much needed love and cuteness.
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct @HMButler79 .... Go to Disneyland Paris and walk the castle, visit the dragon downstairs and enjoy theoutdoos balcony views. THAT will give you what you need
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I guess what my point is that if the overall theming and experience is fun and pleasing, why do we need more than one or two show stopping scenes<< Because FLE is in dire need of content. Of a draw. Heck, of an E Ticket. So far, all we are getting, is a lot of pretty scenery. And that's great. But it needs something large to base it around, for it to seem like a full fledged addition to the park. As it is, right now, it just seems like it's a afterthought to the rest of Fantasyland. And it shouldn't be like that... if WDW want's to do this the right way, this should be able to add to Fantasyland in a way that won't overwhelm it, but in a way to complete it. To me, this is just putting a nice looking back drop on it that has a few auxiliary attractions.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Agreed. no one ranks on Casey Jr. and this Dwarf Coaste looks like a *plussed* version of Casey Jr. What is wrong with THAT ?! And as many have pointed out, the old Snow White dark ride was just an embarrassment. I can't be anything but excited for the whole Fantasland project. I haven't felt this way since SPLASH was built. So much beauty is coming to the most ugly Fantasyland. I won't be able to say that soon ))) This whole thing wreaks of much needed love and cuteness<<< Nothing. Save for the fact that it leaves FLE incomplete, and does damage to the existing Fantasyland by ripping out a ride.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Snow White is still a viable ride. It's a life size storybook. It isn't supposed to thrill. It is an emotion ride that is designed to evoke a warm fuzzy feeling and remind you of your childhood and the first time you saw the movie. It's removal will be a blow to a large segment of Disney fans.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Snow White worked because of the strengnth of the enviornments (The Queens Castle, the Dungeons, the Frightning Forest, going INTO the Dwarfs Cottage), all done in black light.< I haven't seen such a hyperbolic descripton of a basic Disney dark ride since, well, since the 50's when rides like this were cutting edge. Look, I enjoy the dark rides as much as the next person, and I wish they didn't have to take this one out for a meet and greet. But to describe a simple flat panel black light dark ride in such glowing terms is living in a very simple past. I much more agree with Dad's description above. It's nice, pleasant ride with some fond memories, and some people will be upset at its passing. I wish it was able to continue, but I strongly look forward to what's coming to FL in the near future.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I wonder if there would be this outcry if a meat and greet ;-) were not replacing a dark ride? As for wanting big e tickets, never going happen at the MK, not a sound investment. And there are some who would consider the Little Mermaid (Dairy queen hair and all) an E Ticket.
Originally Posted By leobloom Bottom line for me: I won't miss the old Snow White ride and I'm not too excited for the new Snow White ride. Replacing one underachieving attraction for another, I suspect. Just a hunch, though.
Originally Posted By dshyates The dark ride scenesof the coaster won't be as engaging as SWSA. But SWSA isn't nearly as exciting or fun as the mine coaster will be. So I think that it will be much more popular than SWSA. As far as not raising capacity, both Ariel's and the mine coaster will have higher capacity than what they are replacing. Add in the new Princess M&Gs including Belle and Ariel. Then throw in the second Dumbo spinner, and FL will have more fire power than before. Not a huge increase, but still more capacity.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Snow White is still a viable ride. It's a life size storybook. It isn't supposed to thrill. It is an emotion ride that is designed to evoke a warm fuzzy feeling and remind you of your childhood and the first time you saw the movie. It's removal will be a blow to a large segment of Disney fans.<<< EXACTLY. >>>I wonder if there would be this outcry if a meat and greet ;-) were not replacing a dark ride?<<< Ew. And yes, I would be much less bothered if another ride was going in there.
Originally Posted By MousDad Remember back in the good old days when the princess takeover of SW was supposed to be temporary?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom My beef is that a heavily detailed darkride is being substituted by a kiddie rollercoaster with detailing that so far looks like it's going to amount to the same as garden gnomes placed strategically around the ride. And this is the best that Disney can do? Really?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I agree with you, Kennesaw Tom, duckling. If they want to replace the Snow White dark ride with something else that's supposed to be better, the dwarf coaster isn't it. I prefer an attraction that will still showcase the story of Snow White as opposed to a coaster with show scenes that don't rival Big Thunder Mountain, since it's being compared to that one already. I still maintain that some ducklings around here aren't being fair to the current Snow White dark ride. It's not nearly so bad as some what to believe. I think it's just become the latest craze to pick on this attraction. One person even said it's the worst version of the attraction anywhere. That's not true at all. It's certainly better than the California version.
