Originally Posted By HMButler79 i am schocked and amazed at the blatant ripping and unappreciation of teh C-Ticket Dark Rides. Teh ORIGINAL "ride the movies" concept. Attractions made by the hands of Coats, Anderson, Baxter, Crump, and Walt. What is this East Coast DISDAIN for the FL Ctix? Hell, Toad just got his OWN poster under DLs Train Station and the Olsewski dark ride facade figures and popular. And publications like The E-Ticket, The Nickel Tour, and even Tony himself espouse teh glories and significance of the dark rides, ESPECIALLY Snow White. Man, you guys woulda been burning up the boards in '81. "All they're doing is redoing the existing dark rides?? WAAAAHHHH? They're not that great WAHHHH We want somethign new WAAAAH" I can only imagine if LP existed durind 81-83.
Originally Posted By danyoung There's nothing wrong with the dark rides, and they have an important place in history. But take any 13 year old kid that's never been on one, and he'd yawn through the whole thing. They're really pretty short on technology, short on thrills, short on everything that makes a good, 2000's ride. Of course they were designed by movie makers, and as such succeeded brilliantly for what they were. And I don't really wish any of them to go away. But it doesn't break my heart to see them go, either. I'm not real happy to see SWSA being taken over by a M&G, but that's my only quibble. The trade-off of SWSA for an entirely redone area with new rides and new eating opportunities is a pretty fair trade-off to me.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip What is the East Coast disdain? First off, it's not just the East Coast... unlike DL, WDW draws from throughout the nation. Also, I don't see much disdain for SWSA... just the feeling that it wasn't the best WDW dark ride, and it certainly doesn't compare with the various DL dark rides. Waits for SWSA rarely exceed 5-10 minutes, while waits for Peter Pan and Pooh frequently exceed one hour. People for YEARS have been voting with their feet and they have said SWSA just isn't that great. I don't hear anyone wanting to get rid of Peter Pan or Pooh, and I don't know if you remember it or not, but there was a great deal of protest over losing Toad. The DL Peter Pan, Toad, Alice and Pinocchio are better than any of the WDW dark rides. If we had those rides in WDW you might see more enthusiasm for the C tickets.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Why would 20K be downgraded? That was a great ride?" I didn't think it was great and it was terribly slow loading. Even with the new animation technology, the revamped Subs at Disneyland wouldn't rate an E in my book.
Originally Posted By Scutr Was 20K an actual E Ticket? I always thought it was a D. But then again, we always had Magic Key ticket books. I think we only dealt with the A-E tickets on our first trip in '72.
Originally Posted By Manfried All the pre-judging eventually hurts people's perceptions of the Disney parks, even their own. Oh I am sure they think they are doing something for the greater good, but I don't think so.
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations All the pre-judging eventually hurts people's perceptions of the Disney parks, even their own. Oh I am sure they think they are doing something for the greater good, but I don't think so.<<< It's called "wishing to be of a Birthday Cake"... For weeks you anticipate your b'day, so when it finally gets here, in your mind, it's a let down. That seems to be what's happening here w/the FLE.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>All the pre-judging eventually hurts people's perceptions of the Disney parks, even their own. Oh I am sure they think they are doing something for the greater good, but I don't think so.<<< Believe what you like, but I still have a pretty awesome time in the parks, despite all my talk here.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///But it's(Yeti AA) such a tiny part of a great attraction/// That's one strange comment to make...... ..... Yeti *IS*(or is supposed to be) the attraction. Encountering the snow creature is the ultimate point of the ride----everything else takes a supporting role in the story. ///the Yeti was not even on Disco mode, the cave was just dark/// LOL! Dude, you rode, 'Blair Witch' Mountain
Originally Posted By danyoung >Yeti *IS*(or is supposed to be) the attraction. Encountering the snow creature is the ultimate point of the ride----everything else takes a supporting role in the story.< From a story viewpoint, yeah, the yeti is the center of the story. But as a ride, the coaster is totally cool with or without the yeti. Yeah, better with him, but he's not really that critical to the fun of the ride.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost ^^^^Which is exactly why they haven't been in any hurry to make repairs.
Originally Posted By danyoung That's probably true, and in a way you can't blame them. From a business standpoint, the ride is up and running and very popular. Why should they spend millions to fix a special effect that isn't really affecting the ride? Of course, they would have done it differently in the old days. But realistically, I'd much rather have the ride working like it is now than to have it closed for repairs for the next 2 years!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ecape from the Blair Witch Mountain. And sorry, I would rather they soup it up for an e ticket. If I want a coaster, I can go on many better than that around the globe. We do to Disney for the Disney difference. Now, we are planning on Puy Du Fou <a href="http://www.puydufou.com/en" target="_blank">http://www.puydufou.com/en</a> , Futuroscope <a href="http://uk.futuroscope.com/" target="_blank">http://uk.futuroscope.com/</a> , Park Asterix <a href="http://www.parcasterix.fr/en" target="_blank">http://www.parcasterix.fr/en</a> and DLP (only because it is the 20th Anniversary and I am not sure if we will bother with APs) next year. Maybe one day there will be a pull to go to WDW again, but broken Yeti's, Angler Fish, CoP family members, Motel 8 hotel service at Conrad/waldorf prices, and 3rd world timetabling for buses means we are unlikely to return unless we hear great things from experienced visitors (who also travel to places other than WDW and DL).
Originally Posted By WDWVacationer <<Yes, but it's bulk. It's huge. It's like Space Mountain, no?>> Ride time clocks in at around 3 minutes, so not much longer than the Mine Train.
Originally Posted By leobloom Are you seriously trying to compare the Matterhorn (a massive, iconic ride with two tracks, historical relevance, and immersive theming) to the Dwarf Mine Coaster? If so, that's gotta be one of the worst apologist arguments I've ever read on here.
Originally Posted By Manfried Are you seriously trying to compare a coaster that is not built yet to anything?
Originally Posted By leobloom Durr, because there's no way to see from the model that this is nowhere near the same scale as the Matterhorn.
Originally Posted By barboy2 You just don't get it; I guess you never will. You have to wait until the Dwarf Mine ride is totally complete----Oh, and you have to actaully ride it as well--- to know whether it will be a super 'E' headliner or a forgettable 'A'..... or somewhere inbetween. Let's hope it turns out to be more ambitious than Everest or outclasses Big Thunder Mountain. You never know so let's keep our fingers crossed.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Huh? It's a kiddie coaster. Disney has said so themselves. It's built for families with young children. It will have one indoor scene and the rest will be landscape. I wouldn't expect Everest, Matterhorn or Big Thunder.
