Originally Posted By WDWVacationer My point is that people are saying the mine train will have no bulk. If it is built as planned, it will be equivalent to the Matterhorn based on ride time and the amount of show scenes.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm also somewhat amazed that "bulk" is now considered a primary factor in how Disney attractions are viewed. I can think of a few that have plenty of "bulk" but little else to offer. ;-) This place is always amusing, I have to say that!
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I don't care about bulk per se. With the possible exception of The Little Mermaid attraction, the expansion holds little interest for me. We have adult children so the area isn't really for us as built. I have no problem with how it will all look, including the mine train. I am sure it will be Disney beautiful. I am also sure it will be very busy. However, more and more Disney is giving my family less and less reasons to be there. It kind of like Star Tours 2.0. Cute change but worth a decade of waiting? Not really. Too little too late in my opinion. The FL expansion feels that way to me also.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>However, more and more Disney is giving my family less and less reasons to be there. It kind of like Star Tours 2.0. Cute change but worth a decade of waiting? Not really. Too little too late in my opinion. The FL expansion feels that way to me also.<<< Of course it does now. But what if your family were young enough to participate in the coaster. Wouldn't you then think that Disney is building this for you and your needs. Disney cannot be everything to everybody and I am not sure why anyone could possibly think they could or even should. If Disney were building a highly intense adult ride (Orange side of Mission Space) then those with young families would be upset because Disney is giving them less and less reason to be there. So no matter what the Mine Train ends up being there will be the side that thinks it is just a kiddie ride (which I think is the intent anyway) and another camp that think it is the best thing since sliced bread (ever wonder what the best thing was before sliced bread?) and yet another that couldn't care less.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad I think what people are worried about is that the mine train will be like the barnstormer, A little coaster with nothing to look at. Now if the barnstormer had gone through a barn loaded with different things so that each time you rode it you saw something that you hadn't noticed before and passed scenes of disneyfied farm animals doing funny things it would have been popular with all ages. As it was we seldom rode it. LPers are afraid the mine train will be the same. A kid coaster is fine, just give the adults something to look at and everyone will be happy.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I have no issue with the FL expansion and it not being for my demographic group. It is that if Disney had been adding/changing things on a regular basis at the MK then this would be a next great step in changes in the park. But since it has been a long time since the MK has seen a major addition then it falls short for me. Again, nothing against the FL expansion or who it is aimed for, but rather the lack of long term vision for the park over the past decade or so. Not to mention how long till the next thing?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>You have to wait until the Dwarf Mine ride is totally complete----Oh, and you have to actaully ride it as well--- to know whether it will be a super 'E' headliner or a forgettable 'A'..... or somewhere inbetween.<<< Yeah, 'cuz, our own predictions are worthless. LOL. Hardly. If you act like your word is THE WORD, sure, but honestly, I don't do that, and I'm sure very few people do.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>My point is that people are saying the mine train will have no bulk. If it is built as planned, it will be equivalent to the Matterhorn based on ride time and the amount of show scenes.<<< I doubt that. The Matterhorn is a massive ride, and even icon. SWSA II won't have that. If it did, that would solve a big problem.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm also somewhat amazed that "bulk" is now considered a primary factor in how Disney attractions are viewed<<< In THIS case, yes. In a expansion, YES. In a decade and a half of the Magic Kingdom getting staler and staler, YES. Seriously, read my posts. I've said all of this. Over and over.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Thank you for helping me prove a point I was trying to make, sjhym333, duckling--one that Manfried tries to misinterpret until it's really confusing. But you pointed out that it's already known that the dwarf coaster will only have one show scene and that's why I would prefer the current Snow White dark ride over the dwarf coaster. I don't have to wait until the attraction is built and ride the thing to know that only one show scene will be a disappointment. I prefer dark rides over rollercoasters. If I want to ride a roller coaster Disney World has enough of them to choose from already. But Fantasyland already has a lack of dark rides and I hate to see another one go away.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<Huh? It's a kiddie coaster. Disney has said so themselves. It's built for families with young children. It will have one indoor scene and the rest will be landscape.>> Gee, I thought that's why Walt built the parks, for families - not fanbois.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> My point is that people are saying the mine train will have no bulk. If it is built as planned, it will be equivalent to the Matterhorn based on ride time and the amount of show scenes. << I guess it depends on how you define show scene. I suspect the Matterhorn will trump this ride in almost every way possible.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Gee, I thought that's why Walt built the parks, for families - not fanbois. << Can you address that Disney has admitted this is basically a spruced up kiddy coaster? You're dodging the point.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Gee, I thought that's why Walt built the parks, for families - not fanbois<<< He built it for entertainment and the creation of new, deeper and unique environments that his movies could not create. That's something for both. I dint care if it's built "for families". That's no excuse in denying it content.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>Yeah, 'cuz, our own predictions are worthless. LOL. Hardly. << Ummmmm.....Wellllll.........yeah, actually. lol This is a family ride, executed on a large scale. Comparisons to Barnstormer and any "kiddie coaster" are far off the mark. It is a substantial attraction, and will be the most popular thing in FL upon opening. I really don't get the negativity toward it...
Originally Posted By Manfried <<I really don't get the negativity toward it...>> Because they only what they want, something for fanbois. If it does not meet their criteria, then they go after it with a vengeance.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Exactly. Fantasyland is primarily for kids, and most kids could care less about a Snow White dark ride. In fact many young children found the prevalence of the witch in SWSA absolutely terrifying. A well themed and nicely landscaped family coaster will be much more popular with the target audience. There is a substantial difference between the DL audience and the WDW audience. The DL audience is made up of DISNEY fans who know and appreciate the history of the park and the "classic" Disney animation. The WDW audience is made up of THEME PARK fans who primarily want to have fun and aren't all that involved with the fine points of Disney history.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Funny these same- aged, timid children are now introduced to the witchcraft and death-eaters and villainous imagery in Harry Potter at such a young age! Disney needs to expand on their villains characters not remove them! I think the children will be outgrowing their Princess Fantasy,Pirates,etc, sooner and sooner. Wake up Disney and capture the new marketing trends for these families. Has Hi-School Musical etc., overextended yet? Disney we have been asking for more villains for a long time.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I also have always believed the children in these rides are crying because they are so loud and hurt their eardrums. No matter I agree with the Witches and think they should re-consider removing SWSA. When they had the special exhibit for the Snow White Anniversary in DCA they also included a special designed Dwarfs House to have a photo opportunity with Snow White. Maybe they should place this in front of the SW attraction to get some renewed interest and show some love for her importance in Disney History.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>This is a family ride, executed on a large scale<<< I just don't see how this is "large". That's my issue with it. That's not a bad thing, mind you, but something to tak about.
