Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> and will be the most popular thing in FL upon opening.<<< That's not saying much. It'll be the newest thing in WDW, too. Give it a few years.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Because they only what they want, something for fanbois. If it does not meet their criteria, then they go after it with a vengeance<<< If I was really going for "Fanboi" criteria, here, I'd be blasting this for not being a 13 long omnimover in EPCOT Center. So, your baseless, and bordering on rude assumptions not only sound foolish after all this time, they are getting tiresome. Seriously, Manny, I respect your opinion, and we agree on a lot of things, but the assumptions you make about ANYONE who says something against your views, and honestly, I'm over that. I'm here for discussion, not finger pointing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Exactly. Fantasyland is primarily for kids, and most kids could care less about a Snow White dark ride. In fact many young children found the prevalence of the witch in SWSA absolutely terrifying. A well themed and nicely landscaped family coaster will be much more popular with the target audience. There is a substantial difference between the DL audience and the WDW audience. The DL audience is made up of DISNEY fans who know and appreciate the history of the park and the "classic" Disney animation. The WDW audience is made up of THEME PARK fans who primarily want to have fun and aren't all that involved with the fine points of Disney history.<<< Don't deny that at all. FLE just needs bulk.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I agree and think the addition will be themed so well they will probably have to limit entrance like they do with WWoHPland. Will it be a dead end or will the train station be included?. Sorry have not looked at the map artwork? I just think SWSA should be given reprieve over another MeetnGreet. I admit I have been wrong. I loved the new HM-Queue and the new Hitchiking Ghosts interaction more than I expected! Also was very sad to lose the DL Hotel Bonita Waterfalls but was so impressed with the new area. Seriously nobody will want to stay at the Grand when that is all completed!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost From what I have seen of the Mermaid show it looks to me like that has bulk and the good old fashioned dark ride feel. I don't think this coaster will either be enhanced or popular due to it's layout. It's a ride with themeing, nothing else. Know what else...I doubt that most kids of today are even aware of who Snow White is. That is a couple of generations ago. They will like the ride and not really have the movie connection because the chances are they have never seen it. I saw it but that was over 50 years ago, maybe longer. Their parents might give them a brief run through if they even know it, but that will be it.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >> I don't think this coaster will either be enhanced or popular due to it's layout.<< I disagree 1000%. The layout, art and model all look top notch. It wil be a total hit, mark my words. I've been saying that for nearly a year now.
Originally Posted By leobloom It will be popular because MK kids can ride it and it's in Fantasyland. But I don't see how it's "substantial" as Lee described it. I guess it's a subjective term, ultimately.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Exactly. Fantasyland is primarily for kids, and most kids could care less about a Snow White dark ride. In fact many young children found the prevalence of the witch in SWSA absolutely terrifying. A well themed and nicely landscaped family coaster will be much more popular with the target audience. There is a substantial difference between the DL audience and the WDW audience. The DL audience is made up of DISNEY fans who know and appreciate the history of the park and the "classic" Disney animation. The WDW audience is made up of THEME PARK fans who primarily want to have fun and aren't all that involved with the fine points of Disney history."" Exactly as we suspected. RoadTrippy is a Disney PR mole. I mean who ELSE would type a response like that? Or 4th Gen Imagineer
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""The WDW audience is made up of THEME PARK fans who primarily want to have fun and aren't all that involved with the fine points of Disney history."" Again, let's point to this. He is implying that WDW Guests do not give two flips about the dark rides when Pan is THE MOST popular dark ride and there was a near riot for the closure of Toad. So to say WDW fans do not CARE for the dark rides is total disingenuous, Disney apologizing.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 "" A well themed and nicely landscaped family coaster will be much more popular with the target audience."" Yea they totally shoulda went that route in '83...cause trips to hell, trips to Pleasure Island and trips down a rabbit hole is sooooo boring.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I never said they didn't care about the dark rides... just that by and large they don't obsess on Disney history and it's relationship to the parks. They judge the dark rides like every other ride in the parks... on the enjoyment they receive from it. Do they really care about the history of the Disney animation behind it? I doubt it. I'll agree that Toad was very popular. But how many of those riding it had ever seen the Wind in the Willows, or for that matter, even had any idea that is what it was based on? If you want to put words in my mouth at least make them tasty!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You're confusing your theme parks HMB... WDW never had a trip to Pleasure Island or down a Rabbit Hole.
Originally Posted By Manfried EE, did I point a finger at YOU? No. Boy is someone making an assumption.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>EE, did I point a finger at YOU? No. Boy is someone making an assumption.<<< No, but even so, the posts get tiresome. And it's not just from you, it's from everybody. Sorry if I singled you out in singling me out in singling everyone out.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""But how many of those riding it had ever seen the Wind in the Willows, or for that matter, even had any idea that is what it was based on?"" How many people know the EXISTENCE of Song of the South and what Splash is based on?? Yeaaaa......
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But how many of those riding it had ever seen the Wind in the Willows, or for that matter, even had any idea that is what it was based on?<< Like the best Disney rides, Mr. Toad works (or worked, in WDW's case) because it didn't come with any prerequisites for fully enjoying it. Peter Pan is simply a flight in a pirate ship, enjoyable even if you don['t know the story. I'm not so sure DCA's"Monsters Inc." ride can be enjoyed, or understood, without having seen the movie. I'd like to ride it sometime with a person who hasn't seen the movie. I think they'd find it pretty bewildering. I think the Dwarf coaster has a better chance of being more like Mr. Toad and Peter Pan in that way. Something that people can enjoy whether or not they've seen Snow White.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Like the best Disney rides, Mr. Toad works (or worked, in WDW's case) because it didn't come with any prerequisites for fully enjoying it.<<< You may be completely correct in that statement but it begs the question...If Mr. Toad worked why isn't it still there? Obviously it didn't work well enough.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Good question. It remains quite popular in DL, and is still mourned by longtime Magic Kingdom fans. I think replacing it in FL was the hope that Pooh would be a more "synergistic" addition (i.e., sell more Pooh merch), not because the ride itself was unpopular.
