Originally Posted By WDWVacationer I have to agree with Lee that MK doesn't need an E now. It can barely handle the crowd it draws now, which as Lee said is the reason for the expansion-capacity. Now, if Disney is trying to draw (and compete with Universal) I firmly believe their ONLY option is to build a new land in DAK. That is the park that would benefit most from a big investment, and Disney's only park that can compete with WWoHP. The original "Potter-Swatter' plan Disney had would have had a new DAK land, and something else in each park just to really shine. We all know what happened there.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>>>>Now I do agree with Lee that it will be immensely popular, crowded, due to capacity and the tight quarters. And it will look real pretty, no doubt. It will be substantively shallow however, and will be another reminder of another missed opportunity for something more refined and universally appealing.<<<<<<<<<<<< THIS
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I have to agree with Lee that MK doesn't need an E now. It can barely handle the crowd it draws now, which as Lee said is the reason for the expansion-capacity.<<< That's madness. It's been ALMOST 20 YEARS without a substantial addition to the MK. An E is hugely over due, as is a land that can compensate for it's crowds. FLE could have been that, but isn't. Total proof that Disney has no idea how to manage themselves in any way, shape, or form anymore.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>This hasn't been true since 1959 when Walt built the Matterhorn, and the wee ones couldn't ride. Or if you wanna be picky, you could say that DL was never that way, as rides like the Carousel were obviously for the wee ones and not for the older kids or adults. << Give me a break. The same height restriction will be on the SW coaster as Matterhorn. Matterhorn is extremely family friendly, or use to be, where kids could ride in the parents lap. Plenty of three and four year olds rode the Matterhorn. Old Disney: POTC, HM, COP, SUBS, WEDWAY, SSE, TLS, JII, GMR, KS New Disney: Stitch, MILF, Rockit Rods, Mission Space, RNRC, Where's ElDonald?, Where's Nemo?, American Idol.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Just to clarify for the 5th time. I am not advocating for Bald Mountain, or any other major attraction. Just something substantive. The price tag can produce a lot more than what we are getting with the SW mine train. Price <-> Good attraction is not strongly correlated now a days. I agree with Lee that AK and MGM need the help much more financially and creatively. I just don't think that is a good enough excuse to be 'bunting' in Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>That's madness.<< No, that's business. Sad but true. There is no compelling business reason for MK to add a big E. (Of course, there are plenty of fanboy reasons to add one.) Disneyland got it's last big E when? 1995? That park is getting along fine, despite that 26 year span. The park across the way needed the E. A couple of them, and it got them. Not because fanboys thought it was time, or because Disney wanted to keep the foamers happy, but because of sound business and operational reasons. Keep in mind the difference between need and want. Parks need or don't need. Fanboys want. I happen to WANT a nice new E in MK. Sure do. But I know the park doesn't NEED it. Other parks do.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 The reality at this point is that the FL expansion will probably be the only new attraction for the MK for awhile. Remember that Disney looks at WDW as one big park so if and when a new attraction comes next I expect that it will go to DAK. I am just not sure how long that might be. I have been asking my sources at WDI and there doesn't seem to be anything rushing thru the pike there following the expansion.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>The price tag can produce a lot more than what we are getting with the SW mine train.<< Not when WDI is spending the money... They spend $2 to every $1 Uni spends. Uni gets Forbidden Journey...MK gets Mermaid. *sigh*
Originally Posted By sjhym333 While I agree with Lee hisownself, I would make the argument that if you were to add a great E ticket to the MK it would not only ease capacity but would also be fairly visible and continue to draw people to WDW in general since most people think that the MK IS WDW. But I agree, at this point we wont be seeing an E Ticket ride in the MK for a long time.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> New Disney: Stitch, MILF, Rockit Rods, Mission Space, RNRC, Where's ElDonald?, Where's Nemo?, American Idol. << New Disney sounds about as successful as New Coke.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Disneyland got it's last big E when? 1995? That park is getting along fine, despite that 26 year span. << Do the Nemo Subs count as a big E? I think so... So even if DL has been stingy with their major additions over the past 20 years, at least they got Indy and the subs reopened. That's more than we can say for MK.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Matterhorn is extremely family friendly, or use to be, where kids could ride in the parents lap. Plenty of three and four year olds rode the Matterhorn.< Yeah, you got me on that one. I looked up on Disney's DL site, and they do say that kids under 7 have to ride with someone at least 14 or older. I'd bet, however, that there were some stricter restrictions back in 1959. I mean, the Matterhorn was promoted as a cutting edge roller coaster, and it probably was for the time. I still feel that Walt's famous quote had to do with the PLACE being something that every age could enjoy together, and not every single attraction.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I have to agree with Lee that MK doesn't need an E now. It can barely handle the crowd it draws now, which as Lee said is the reason for the expansion-capacity.< >That's madness. It's been ALMOST 20 YEARS without a substantial addition to the MK.< I think this is a semantical thing. Has it been a long time since there was a new E ticket in the MK, and do we as park fans want it? Of course. Is there any incentive at all for Disney to put a $200 mil investment into a single new attraction in the MK? Well, if they were run like Walt used to run DL, then yeah, there'd have been something new and cutting edge long before now. But with today's current business model, there's just no financial justification for them to put that kind of money into a single attraction in the MK. The park is doing great business on its own. I wish the current powers that be could get ahead of the curve, but they're much more reactive. No new big attraction will be coming to the MK in the near future unless attendance drops enough to warrant a new weenie.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Just to clarify for the 5th time. I am not advocating for Bald Mountain, or any other major attraction. Just something substantive. The price tag can produce a lot more than what we are getting with the SW mine train. Price <-> Good attraction is not strongly correlated now a days. I agree with Lee that AK and MGM need the help much more financially and creatively. I just don't think that is a good enough excuse to be 'bunting' in Fantasyland.<<<< THIS
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No, that's business. Sad but true. There is no compelling business reason for MK to add a big E. (Of course, there are plenty of fanboy reasons to add one.) Disneyland got it's last big E when? 1995? That park is getting along fine, despite that 26 year span. The park across the way needed the E. A couple of them, and it got them. Not because fanboys thought it was time, or because Disney wanted to keep the foamers happy, but because of sound business and operational reasons<<< The reasons I'm thinking of, being stagnation, marketing, and capacity aren't your typical "fanboi" demands. And the same goes for Disneyland, though there constant updating keeps them out of the red, as their park is much more fresh.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I think this is a semantical thing. Has it been a long time since there was a new E ticket in the MK, and do we as park fans want it? Of course. Is there any incentive at all for Disney to put a $200 mil investment into a single new attraction in the MK? Well, if they were run like Walt used to run DL, then yeah, there'd have been something new and cutting edge long before now. But with today's current business model, there's just no financial justification for them to put that kind of money into a single attraction in the MK. The park is doing great business on its own. I wish the current powers that be could get ahead of the curve, but they're much more reactive. No new big attraction will be coming to the MK in the near future unless attendance drops enough to warrant a new weenie.<<< New attraction, new ground, new idea. Not since 92.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>The reasons I'm thinking of, being stagnation, marketing, and capacity aren't your typical "fanboi" demands.<< But they kinda are... -The park isn't stagnant to most guests, especially Disney's coveted "once in a lifetimers." -Marketing is already helping keep the park full most of the time. -Capacity won't be an issue after FLE. The ONLY argument I can see for a big E right now at MK is a "fanboi" wanting something new argument. Nothing wrong with that, I feel it too, but it isn't how they think. I've learned to take the "fanboi"/emotional aspect out of how I look at these things,and just go with pure logic. Makes the disappointment hurt a lot less.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>This hasn't been true since 1959 when Walt built the Matterhorn, and the wee ones couldn't ride. Or if you wanna be picky, you could say that DL was never that way, as rides like the Carousel were obviously for the wee ones and not for the older kidsor adults.<<< Well Dan, even when I was a kid, the matterhorn allowed anyone over the age of 1 to ride. As it is, my daughter was 2 and my son was 4 when we last went to Disneyland and they loved it.
Originally Posted By leobloom They did rebuild Space Mountain, too, within the past decade, didn't they?
