Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I guess. Doesn't change the fact that it's a piss poor premise and execution. It was an excuse to use the technology. Nothing more.<<< I disagree. Having been on a number of real test tracks and car factories, tt is very realistic, and as a car guy, I do really like it. I do not understand the hate this one generates.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I disagree. Having been on a number of real test tracks and car factories, tt is very realistic, and as a car guy, I do really like it. I do not understand the hate this one generates.>> You do not understand the FIRST rule of fanbois!! It doesn't have ANIMATRONICS!! You know... fakey little people with motors in their body that make their arms wiggle. THAT is the ULTIMATE Disney experience! I would have figured a guy with your sophistication would have understood that. ;-)
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well I am one of them too. I did love World of Motion, and would rather have AA's than the stupid screen experience of TSMM.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Sometimes I think they would have been better off demo the show building and starting from scratch.<<< And we'd be left with a small, squat, u I souring facade. They don't build big anymore. TT's greatest asset is that building, IMO. In reality, WoM could have coexisted with TT. All TT needs is a warehouse tucked behind WoM.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I disagree. Having been on a number of real test tracks and car factories, tt is very realistic, and as a car guy, I do really like it. I do not understand the hate this one generates.<<< Becuase it's a sterile, industrial, and non imaginative environ. Yes, it's realistic. Yes, it's fun. But that doesn't make it a good attraction. Good attractions do all of those things and put you in a place that's highly detailed, otherworldly, and, frankly, a shock to be in.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo How many test tracks do the the average WDW visitors go to? WE have only been around them as my MIL lived next door to the UK GM test track.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Nothing any of us can say will change anyones mind concerning a like or a dislike of any attraction. I'd say judge by the length of the line waiting to get in. Based on that I can only draw the conclusion that a lot of the MAJOR must see attractions in Disney are very sparsely themed, so therefore it isn't necessarily themeing that is drawing them in. Rides like TT, Soarin and even the blessed Space Mtn. are imagination themed. That means that they suggested to you, in the preshow, what was happening and you imagined the rest. Not a lot unlike "Sounds Dangerous" if you think about it. I enjoy AA's and I wish that there were more dark rides featuring them...but I don't absolutely need them to enjoy an attraction and they only fit in specific story ideas. Considering how fast TT is, what benefit would be derived from an AA in the ride itself? It's sort of like whining about a none working yeti when you are going by so fast that you would only see a fraction of a second of movement anyway.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Considering how fast TT is, what benefit would be derived from an AA in the ride itself>> Think about Big Thunder it has a few AA's in it but you're moving so fast that you have ride it several times just catch them all.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<You do not understand the FIRST rule of fanbois!! It doesn't have ANIMATRONICS!! You know... fakey little people with motors in their body that make their arms wiggle. THAT is the ULTIMATE Disney experience! I would have figured a guy with your sophistication would have understood that. ;-)>> Nope, but nice try at being cheeky. Tower of Terror has no AAs and it's by far one of the greatest Disney rides ever created. Even Big Thunder barely has any AAs to write home about and I enjoy it more than most AA attractions. But again, nice try.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I'd say judge by the length of the line waiting to get in.>> EH! Spaceship Earth has the highest ridership in Epcot. So I guess that means people do love those AAs, huh? Wait time is not indicative of ridership.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Good attractions do all of those things and put you in a place that's highly detailed, otherworldly, and, frankly, a shock to be in." Geez. Maybe you should replace the phrase "Good attractions" with "The attractions I like". Using your strict criteria many of Walt Disney's original attractions still operating today wouldn't pass muster for what constitutes a "good" ride.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<I'd say judge by the length of the line waiting to get in.>> Disney "tricks" the lines. How many times have we all been in line for BTMRR to find only one side running? Disney is noctorious for running rides at half capacity. The Great Movie ride is case in point. And then you have incredible attractions like The American Experience that has no preshow, can shallow crowds whole and still leave half the theater empty. Different WDW rides/ attraction have different capacities, are intentionally run at various capacities. Doesn't mean a thing and has no bearing to how appealing, popular or successful a ride/ attraction truely is. I have been on Soarin first thing in the morning when they are only running one theater despite crowds. And I have never understood why Disney dedicates both theaters of Soarin to "Fast Pass" when they just as easily could allow one for standby and one for Fast Pass users. After all isn't the premise behind Fast Pass suppose to be to limited the number of riders during a specific time period? What kind of sense does it make to release 50,000 Fast Pass tickets for Soarin between noon and 5 PM and then release zero after 5 PM? When "Fast Pass" becomes the norm and the "Standy by" line becmoes the exception that means "the line isn't the line". People are being issued "Fast Pass" tickets at 10 AM so they can enjoy the attraction later that day. And if your in the stand by line that means anyone and everyone issued a Fast Pass ticket in the ( now multiple) park(s) is potentionally infront of you in line. Talk about self imposed pergatory! Used to be with Fast Pass all you had to worry about were the crowds in "your" park. Now, that involves the crowds in ALL parks.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Spaceship Earth has the highest ridership in Epcot. So I guess that means people do love those AAs, huh?<<< Never said they didn't...what I said was that they are not necessary to make a good, interesting ride. Besides that I would have to see the actual numbers before I would believe that more people ride SE then Soarin or TT. I suppose it's possible due to a number of factors, not the least of which is its continuous movement of line and show. It is a wonderful ride, and it has it's place alongside the rest of the attractions in Epcot. Its unique shape and location, location, location have a lot to do with it's continued ridership. It is the park symbol and the most visible thing as you walk in, once you get past the graveyard that is.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Never said they didn't...what I said was that they are not necessary to make a good, interesting ride. << Absolutely right. Spider-man has no AAs. Potter doesn't really have any traditional AAs. But the problem is Disney builds attractions without AAs AND without total immersion. Midway Mania, Soarin', Mission: Space.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Briefly getting back to the Dwarf Mine Coaster remember that. I get the feeling that some of you Mikey's just might like it. And some who mainline the Pixie Dust will dislike it. Fact is until we actually ride it we can't fully judge it.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>But the problem is Disney builds attractions without AAs AND without total immersion. Midway Mania, Soarin', Mission: Space.<<< I cannot speak for Midway Mania because I'm not sure what or where that is. I might know it by some other name, but that one isn't ringing a bell with me. As for Soarin and Mission Space not being immersive...What?!?! The only way it could be more immersive is if you were to actually hang glide or be shot into space in a rocket. If not, I guess I do not know what immersive is. It's been a while since I rode Spiderman but isn't that just a series of 3D photo's projected on a wall while you ride through on a Indiana Jones/Dinosaur type vehicle? Having ridden Spiderman, Soarin and Mission Space (orange & green) I would say that Spider is comparable to Soarin, but nothing I have found compares with Mission Space. Just for the record...I think all three are really well done.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Spider-man blows(webs?) Mission: Space and Soarin' out of the air. Highly detailed sets mixed with revolutionary 3-D effects and physical effects (fire, water, fog, etc).
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I cannot speak for Midway Mania because I'm not sure what or where that is. I might know it by some other name, but that one isn't ringing a bell with me. << Toy Story 3D game/ride at MGM. >> As for Soarin and Mission Space not being immersive...What?!?! The only way it could be more immersive is if you were to actually hang glide or be shot into space in a rocket. If not, I guess I do not know what immersive is. << I'll never forget the first time I rode Soarin'. I'd heard so much praise for it, and then when I finally get to ride it during the soft opening, I'm sitting on the end of the row at the edge of the screen. Horrible place to ride because the screen edge is always in view. No attempt was made to hide it, either. Not sure what they could've done about it -- maybe add a smoke effect that made it less obvious? But, at any rate, that to me is the perfect example of a lack of immersion or lazy design work. Not to mention the big blue screen you stare at before the ride starts. Mission: Space is less egregious, but the hallway you walk through to load and the load area where you can see the centrifuge out in the open make the theming less immersive, I think. >> I would say that Spider is comparable to Soarin << Not at all. Spider-man has physical sets that surround the 3D screens. Soarin' is only a 3D screen.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^And it's going to get better in a few months with the hightest HD resolution projectors ever used in a theme park and an new, upgraded film. Also, Leo, I'd call the dragon and the Weeping Willow AAs, the dragon being much more impressive, of course.
