Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan This really looks like a good little ride to me. There's enough detail in the video to suggest what to expect. When all the landscaping, shrubbery and waterfalls are in, I think it'll look really nice. Is it an epic-sized 'Harry Potter' killer? Nope. But it looks to be a nice enhancement for that area of FL.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan One thing I do hope they'll add is perhaps some more woodland creatures outside of the mine. In Snow White, all those little forest friends played an important role in the film. Adding them here and there amongst the foliage would be a nice little plus to the attraction overall.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Like 'Grizzly River Run' at Disney California Adventure, you'd be going to fast to see the animals on the side of the track. <-- runs for cover
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I think it looks good. My only concern here it that the outside part some see to be a bit dull. The outside part is not nearly as well detailed as most Disney rides; BTMRR, PotC, JB, or even the ride in Norway over at EPCOT. It seems as sparce as Journey into Imagination with Figment. I guess one thing the mine train has going for it is that it's for children.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo To be fair though, it wasn't a detailed piece of footage, I think it was concentrating more on how the ride system itself works. I suspect it will be like a hybrid of how the Matterhorn looks towards the bottom (water, trees, alpine fauna etc.) and the Snow White Cottage at DLP.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I agree Dave. I'm not trying to be overly picky. I guess where most of "us" WDW "home parkers" are coming from is that Goofy's Barnstormer and the Mickey's Toontown Fair WDW Railroad station had absolutely no detailing..... so we are very intrested in just how well detailed things are going to be in this area.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I think it is fair to be a little sceptical given the track record in the MK over the last 20 years. Just saying, this is one of the few areas where I am quite hopefully and willing to give them a little leeway.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I love it when armchair Imagineers have "concerns."<<< Why is that? If you have any shred of a "emotional" or interested investment in something, I would think it healthy to wonder about how exactly this thing would work. Would you rather have blind acceptance? Slippery slope.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: Besides that, Manfried, yer just as much of an 'armchair' Imagineer as all the rest of 'em! So git down off yer high horse an' stop pretendin' yer better 'an anybody else 'round here!
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I think I'll judge the ride when I experience it. As for IASW, I still like the ride it's cute and simple.
Originally Posted By barboy2 This footage had but one real purpose as far as I'm concerned: to show off/brag/market the smooth rocking mine car technology; everything else in the footage was just 'filler'. Oh, and one can safely assume that the actual ride will be very close to the video in terms of scope/scale and ambition. For those who need to "wait and see" until the last tree is planted and the final coat of paint goes on just to make some kind of meaningful assessment, I question your ability to perform basic forecasting or extrapolation.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<I think I'll judge the ride when I experience it.>> That's the right attitude. Now as to you Witches....I'm an anti-armchair Imagineer.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Call it what you may, that's no excuse for bothering others who want to discuss the merits of this attraction.
Originally Posted By danyoung >For those who need to "wait and see" until the last tree is planted and the final coat of paint goes on just to make some kind of meaningful assessment, I question your ability to perform basic forecasting or extrapolation.< Ridiculous. Yes, the video showed the basic ride mechanism. But the fleshing out of the attraction can be done in a wide variety of ways. They can theme it well and have lots of detail or they can just put up a few trees and rockwork and call it done. To say that anyone can project from this simple animation what the ride is going to look like when finished is just silly.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 No that's what the internet requires you have to prejudge things before they're finished.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Call it what you may, that's no excuse for bothering others who want to discuss the merits of this attraction.<<< The only thing I would modify in that statement is that no one seems interested in discussing the merits of this attraction. All I have seen other than the "Polyanna's" or Apologist, as you folks would put it, is how much of a failure it is or will be or whatever. All decided from an artist conception. The thing is look at how far off all the other "artist conceptions" have been for just about any attraction you might care to mention. Remember the major uproar about the Soarin building in Epcot. It was a monster, obstructed view, ruined the ambiance of Epcot and on and on. Does anyone even notice it anymore?
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Remember the major uproar about the Soarin building in Epcot. It was a monster, obstructed view, ruined the ambiance of Epcot and on and on. Does anyone even notice it anymore? << Yes, everytime I'm in World Showcase, especially China. Thanks again for pointing out why I should have no faith in Disney's refined judgment. For me, I don't think the mine ride will be a failure, I don't think it should have been a massive thrill ride. I do think that at one time it was planned to be fleshed out more. That it was to take place indoors a little longer, and involve more show scenes. That now, we will endure another lost opportunity because of this thing not being as fleshed out as it should be. It's not film, once it's built, it's built. Can't go back and make a director's cut. Also going against it is that THEY ARE theming it to Snow White, next to the former ride. THEY ARE removing a ride that offered a lot of scenes with the inclusion of both Snow White and the Queen. So, yes, again, I think criticism is warranted that they take the easy way out and not make an effort to include some show scenes. They don't have to retell the movie or the former ride. They simply need to give off atmospherics. I can see why there is negativity. Lastly, the biggest mistake is not replacing the Snow White dark ride with another contemporary dark ride like Pooh. It makes the capacity gains moot and does subtract from Fantasyland. A M&G replacement is salt in the wound. Like the lack of show scenes for the coaster, the M&G comes across as 'least possible effort and care' Bare minimum business. For you Westcoasters who think the mine train is positive, Magic Kingdom will be down to two (2), yes (2), dark rides. Disneyland has SEVEN.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<All I have seen other than the "Polyanna's" or Apologist, as you folks would put it, is how much of a failure it is or will be or whatever. >> Well, so you think that Spirit and Lee (the hisownself one, not the mac one) are Polyannas? They both said nice things about the little coaster...
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm not sure that Fantasyland needs an addition coaster to begin with, especially since Goofy's barnstromer renamed will be literally next door. And given the condition of the "Disco Yeti" on the interior part of another well publicized Disney coaster, I can see where the skepticism is coming from. I would also like to point out that the Disney released computer grapics for the Little Mermaid Ride (available on youtube) were pretty dead-on. I will however pass final judgement on the finished product. Meanwhile, I'm still not in any rush to return to WDW. As for "Soarin", some of us still refer to it as "Looming over Canada". It seems the only muttled skylines in WDW these days are DVC construction sites.
