Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So, yes, again, I think criticism is warranted that they take the easy way out and not make an effort to include some show scenes.<< I don't think there is a required number of show scenes on any ride. This will be a different ride experience than what was there for the past 40 years. Better? Worse? Your mileage may vary when it's finally unveiled But so far, I think it looks like a fun addition that still highlights the source material in a new way. I'm not a huge fan of rides that try to retell the exact same story in a linear way. I'd rather they feature the characters in some new way specific to the ride, and the mine coaster does that. Plus, the addition of foliage, waterfalls, and the kinetics of the mine trains rolling by will add more life to the area.
Originally Posted By Manfried Hey EE, what if they bother me with their obsession to be negative about something that is just a conceptual drawing at this point?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I do think that at one time it was planned to be fleshed out more. That it was to take place indoors a little longer, and involve more show scenes. That now, we will endure another lost opportunity because of this thing not being as fleshed out as it should be. << So this really IS Everest's little brother.
Originally Posted By leobloom Does anyone want to guess what wait times will be like for this Mine Train ride? And will it have FP? I ask because one of the reasons I usually ride the current Snow White dark ride is because of its short lines. The mine train looks fun, but I can't imagine wanting to wait more than 15 minutes for it. If the waits are 30-45 minutes for a short, sparesely themed coaster, then I doubt I'll ride this more than a couple of times.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Given Disneyland Paris regularly posts 60 minute waits for Casey Jr., I am guessing this will have fairly long waits too.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I don't think there is a required number of show scenes on any ride. This will be a different ride experience than what was there for the past 40 years. Better? Worse? Your mileage may vary when it's finally unveiled << True. But I again reference that DL has 7 busbar dark rides, MK has 2. If this was the tangled coaster there wouldn't be as big of an uproar. That's my guess. They are removing the third dark ride for a coaster next to Goofy's/Gadget's, theming it to Snow White, and then not even having Snow White or the Queen. You be the judge. >>But so far, I think it looks like a fun addition that still highlights the source material in a new way. I'm not a huge fan of rides that try to retell the exact same story in a linear way. I'd rather they feature the characters in some new way specific to the ride, and the mine coaster does that.<< I agree completely with you. The coaster itself looks nice and will be a fun addition. My issue is the Snow White swap, and more importantly the lack of effort and resources to make it a great ride (with show scenes), rather than what I perceive to be a "good enough" end-result. I also hate that WDI has completely bungled the idea of "story" when it comes to attractions. From Everest, to Jack Sparrow, to Little Mermaid. So K2, I agree, this coaster is fine as one that simply offers environment and characters. My issue is that it is too dependent on the outside environment. It's a MK's Snow White to DL's Dumbo. It's 7dwarfs=Casey Jr. Both secondary characters on environmental rides. Hardly enough to feel satisfied with in terms of what the potential was for this Fantasyland expansion. The reason some are giving it a break is because the bar was set so low originally with the princess M&Gs. >>Plus, the addition of foliage, waterfalls, and the kinetics of the mine trains rolling by will add more life to the area.<< Can't agree more with you.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Does anyone want to guess what wait times will be like for this Mine Train ride? And will it have FP?<< It will have FP. The crowd control in that tight of a space and the resulting wait times will be a disaster in the making. >>I ask because one of the reasons I usually ride the current Snow White dark ride is because of its short lines. The mine train looks fun, but I can't imagine wanting to wait more than 15 minutes for it. If the waits are 30-45 minutes for a short, sparesely themed coaster, then I doubt I'll ride this more than a couple of times.<< A great point Leo. Another reason why this is a Ponzi scheme when it comes to the changes from the original expansion plan. It is reshifting capacity. The M&Gs go to the solid capacity dark ride. The lower capacity coaster replaces the M&Gs.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The problem with the M&Gs is that they can be anywhere. You need not devote a prime real estate large enough for a darkride, immediately around the castle for a M&G. It bothers me to no end that we are loosing a great darkride for M&Gs that could be held anywhere.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>My issue is the Snow White swap, and more importantly the lack of effort and resources to make it a great ride (with show scenes), rather than what I perceive to be a "good enough" end-result.<< I guess we'll have to see how it ultimately turns out. I'm pleased that so many decades after its original release, Disney is sticking by the characters that truly put the company on the map. Roy Disney once said Snow White was the Star Wars of its day, a monster smash hit, so I'm pleased that this attraction will refresh interest in the story once again. Because in some ways it would have been easier to get all synergistic and theme it to whatever the latest movie is instead.
Originally Posted By Ursula I saw the presentation and the ride sample myself. Pollyana or not, it looks like fun to me. Call me what you will.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Roy Disney once said Snow White was the Star Wars of its day, a monster smash hit, so I'm pleased that this attraction will refresh interest in the story once again<< Perhaps. Does Casey Jr. refresh the interest of its riders in Dumbo? Just to be clear, that is my point. Is one segment with the dwarfs enough to represent this 'smash hit' at WDW? I'm trying to be fair and realistic here. A) It's a nice coaster, and a nice step up from the original plan. B) It should have added more indoor show scenes and the old dark ride should have been replaced with something else. I don't think those two viewpoints are mutually exclusive, what I have seen on this thread, and what caused me to jump after 130 posts is the reoccuring notion that if you express point "B" you must not believe in point "A".
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Hey EE, what if they bother me with their obsession to be negative about something that is just a conceptual drawing at this point?<<< I can only speak for myself, but it isn't an obsession. I call them how I see them.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Seven DL Dark Rides? I count six (which is still better than two). Peter Pan Toad Pinocchio Alice Snow White Pooh Which one am I forgetting?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 >>>Hey EE, what if they bother me with their obsession to be negative about something that is just a conceptual drawing at this point?<<< <<I can only speak for myself, but it isn't an obsession. I call them how I see them. >> Like anything there is a difference between valid criticism and complaining just for the sake of complaining. EE does the former. HM does the latter.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Yes Roger Rabbit is a traditional dark ride in the sense that it is black light and on a bus bar. So #7 Omnimovers fall in a class of their own, imo.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Like anything there is a difference between valid criticism and complaining just for the sake of complaining. EE does the former. HM does the latter.<<< Someone gets it! You just made my day. LOL
Originally Posted By magic0214 ChiMike, there was a proposed Tangled Coaster? Excited for this...yeah, that's all I have to say...
