Originally Posted By Pixie Glitter Excellent points in post 18, Dennis. I couldn't agree with you more!
Originally Posted By nemopoppins dennis, ShivathDestroyer's post sure is encouraging. Maybe religious people are generally good. Sometimes I think that Proposition 8 won only because it was misunderstood by many, misled by the churches. But then sometimes I'm so angry at the arrogance.
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct I need to read my reply before I hit "POST" ... lol.... I really hope that people understand that being "GaY' doesn't mean being "God-less" On the contrary, there are so many gay people who are quite religious. When we go to the New York City Gay Pride Parade, we see about 2.5 to 3 hours of the 5 hour parade representing the church groups. After a while, I am sighing and saying out loud ... "YES ... i GET IT ... we are religious" ... now bring on a go-go boy or something ... give me *some* debauchery PLEASE..." My church as an openly gay minister. Great guy. <a href="http://www.unitedchurchonthegreen.org/content/publish/default.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.unitedchurchonthegr...lt.shtml</a> <<But then sometimes I'm so angry at the arrogance.>> Me too. I embrace the notion that we live in a global community with multiple cultures and religions. I think it is arrogant for any ONE group to think THEY have all the answers. There are many lamps, but the light is the same.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Sorry for the double post and "hi" to Mr. X" and his family. We just saw on CNN tonight that Japan is officially in a recession. <<< hugs to Japan >>> Hang in there my friend !!*** Hey Dennis. Best to all in CT! And, don't worry about us. Obama is President soon, everything's gonna be awesome now.
Originally Posted By Shiva ..my friends just call me Shiva, as I hope you all will. dennis-in-ct, nemopoppins, thank-you for the positive comments. I think that the term "marriage" is a major stumbling block for many of us. If the term had been, as dennis suggested, "civil union" it might have been easier for some to accept. Basically, any marriage recognized by the state is exactly that and I would not be surprised someday to see changes in legal language, similar to the ones dennis suggests, for the way the state recognizes all marriages. I also expect Prop 8 to be overturned by the courts...a battle was lost, not the war. >>On the contrary, there are so many gay people who are quite religious.<< dennis, once again you've waxed eloquent. I consider myself blessed to be friends with such a man and am constantly amazed at his faith and commitment to God. Whenever I feel the need for a little spiritual guidance, this man is always first in my thoughts. The funny part is that he and I are not even of the same faith. The only thing I have to add is that I'm in my 50's and have seen a lot of changes over the past 50 years, some came slower that others. We "straights" are often fighting a lifetime of social and religious conditioning but we are (I hope) becoming more accepting. Mr X, We haven't spoken for quite some time. My best to you and your family.
