Originally Posted By Ursula Exactly how hard is it to make a California State Proposition, anyway? I would donate money to make sure the churches stay out of my state affairs. It drives me batty to think that they get tax-exemptions AND the ability to tell me what to do.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Proposition 8. But today, I attended Catholic Mass and they showed a video urging members to "vote their conscience" as well as distributed a "Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics" and a copy of a letter written by the bishops of California in support of Proposition 8.>> I have never seen a Parish hand out a "voters guide" before. That parish is pushing it. Its one thing to explain where the church stands and tell parishioners to "vote their conscience" and its another to hand out "guides". I haven't seen this in Colorado and Archbishop Chaput is as old school as they come. I'm guessing that the parish priest made the decision to do this.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I would fully support any "tax the churches" proposition at this point. I have argued that in spite of some of the excesses, many churches and church-goers do wonderful things for their communities. But Prop. 8 has highlighted exactly how far they will go to preserve bigotry. The Yes on 8 campaign has been filled with myths, lies, bigotry and barely disguised contempt for a whole segment of our population. Nothing, and I mean nothing in the Yes on 8 has been "Christ-like" at all.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder After this is all over, the crap needs to fall down on the Mormon and Catholic churches like a ton of bricks. Relentless examination, no stone unturned. Screw them.
Originally Posted By Elderp "After this is all over, the crap needs to fall down on the Mormon and Catholic churches like a ton of bricks. Relentless examination, no stone unturned. Screw them." Thank you for argueing my position. Saves me the time in responding to that really long post you did in the other thread. Hope lots of people read this, it's already starting... Vote Yes on 8.
Originally Posted By Mr X You think it's okay for those churches to be breaking the law, Elder? Flaunting their tax exempt status while functioning as large and powerful political action committees? I don't. What's wrong for calling for an examination, anyway? If they've done nothing wrong, nothing will come of it, right? This is just more of your "my group, right or wrong" faux outrage. I hope lots of people read this too.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains <<You think it's okay for those churches to be breaking the law>> No - but the Catholic Church does think they are above the law! The proof is in the number of Pedophiles they move from Church to Church to prey upon innocent children.
Originally Posted By mele <<"After this is all over, the crap needs to fall down on the Mormon and Catholic churches like a ton of bricks. Relentless examination, no stone unturned. Screw them." Thank you for argueing my position. Saves me the time in responding to that really long post you did in the other thread. Hope lots of people read this, it's already starting...>> Oh, so you think your church is above the law, too. Nice ethics!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Thank you for argueing my position. Saves me the time in responding to that really long post you did in the other thread. Hope lots of people read this, it's already starting..." What a freakin' cop out.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Elderp: <<Thank you for argueing my position. Saves me the time in responding to that really long post you did in the other thread. Hope lots of people read this, it's already starting...>> SPP: <<What a freakin' cop out.>> Amen, SPP.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.ppic.org/main/pressrelease.asp?p=886" target="_blank">http://www.ppic.org/main/press...sp?p=886</a> Prop 8 is losing, according to the Public Policy Institute of California. Losing, losing, losing.
Originally Posted By mele And if/when it loses, I'm sure Josh will be satisfied since he's so into "the will of the people".
Originally Posted By Mr X If it loses, I will take great pleasure in knowing that all those Mormons threw away all their hard earned money and came up short anyway. Serves them right.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Vote Yes on 8.<< Sorry. I didn't. Neener neener neener. (mawnck's posts: Giving bigots, racists, and other undesirables the respect they deserve since 2006)
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "(mawnck's posts: Giving bigots, racists, and other undesirables the respect they deserve since 2006)" We should regulate the snot out of them, too.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder When you think of all the money that has been pumped into this from both sides, one side promoting ignorance and the other having to fight it, and how many people it could have fed, clothed, housed, it just turns your stomach.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>We should regulate the snot out of them, too.<< Oh yeah? If I turn Republican, the rules won't apply to me.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan When you think of all the money that has been pumped into this from both sides, one side promoting ignorance and the other having to fight it, and how many people it could have fed, clothed, housed, it just turns your stomach.<< Yep. If they'd even spent the money on an awareness campaign, similar to a political effort, to show where in our country need exists, imagine the outpouring of donations or volunteerism that effort could have generated. Instead, it is resources spent attempting to hardwire bigotry into the state constitution, to deny rights already granted to people. Tax them to high heaven.
