Originally Posted By vbdad55 <There are many people apparently satisfied living a rather modest life in the interest of having a greater quality of life< I think the issue is this is harder and harder to do every year, regardless of choices. Forget home ownership, and with the cost of utilities and necessities, coupled with the loss of so many manufacturing jobs / entry level white collar jobs - the gulf salary wise between bottom wages and top wages is growing exponentially. When my oldest gets to college, if she is lucky enough to also grab a scholarship, we have already decided we are going to 'simplify' our lives...5 years and the clock is running... but it still takes money up front in order to do that...
Originally Posted By peeaanuut I would like to throw out something here so bear with me. I think there are a few falicies in regards to the word wealthy. Most people concider someone with alot of things (Cars, big house, boat, big screen tvs, etc) as wealthy. But in reality that is not their wealth. That is what they spent their money on and most likely are not wealthy when you look at their bank account. Most millionaires in the US do not work more than 40 hours a week and get this, do not make more than 200,000 a year. As a matter of fact, the median income for most millionaires in the US is around 80k. However there is one thing that most millionaires have in common. They have more appreciating assets than depreciating assets. They also do not live in upscale neighborhoods or drive the newest german import. The live in a basic neighborhood and drive a modest car. They do not eat out very much, usually do not have the latest tech stuff and usually their spouse does not work. But if she/he does work they are more than 50% of the time a teacher. ok so to round out my thoughts here. The simplest way to move up, without even working any harder is to take 10% of your income and put it into appreciating assets. Within 5 years, even if you do nothing than put into a high yeild money market account, your status will be elevated. You could afford to go to Disney on nearly the interest alone. And to prove it worked I did this. I started a MM account a year ago. I do not make very much money but I still did the 15% thingy. This year on the interest that I made, I am able to buy a new camera for myself. So basically I am saying that you do not have to work so hard to elevate yourself. You simply have to be smart with your money. Appreciating assets to maximize that 10 or 15% that you put away. It really does work.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Or they have to work so much because they think they need to have a new car, clothes with labels, an HDTV, the newest game system, fancy coffee, etc. >> that is exactly it. <<People in America really have a choice about how many hours they work and how stressful their job is. There are many people apparently satisfied living a rather modest life in the interest of having a greater quality of life.>> The flip side to that is that sometimes, people really just enjoy going to work and maybe that is their leisure. Me personally I love going to work. I usually work 3-4 hours of OT a day, sometimes weekends, but I really love my job. Its actually quite fun and rarely has much stress, at least for me. Sometimes it does get crazy, but for the most part its smooth sailing.
Originally Posted By jonvn Glad you love your job. After you die, they can carve "He loved his job" on the headstone that no one will visit because you were too busy for your family... People's jobs should always be secondary to the family. Hours of overtime is not healthy. Making someone else rich at your own personal expense is not the smartest thing in the world to be doing with your time.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut You assume I have no time for my family. YOu also assume that I am making someone else rich with my time. You seem to assume alot of things in life with no basis of fact what-so-ever. You might want to work on that. As it comes down to it, my relationship with Jayna has never been healthier. My relationship with my parents has never been healthier. I hang out with friends more. I leave for work way before Jayna does and still get home before she does. We spend more time together now than we ever have, even more than when I was between jobs. As a matter of fact the only thing I do less of is hang out on Msg boards on the internet. <<Hours of overtime is not healthy.>> once again another assumption.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut you also assume that everyone has a family to spend time with. I know plenty of single people that have no interest in getting married or having a family. Does that make them a bad person because they work alot too? Or will noone go to their gravesite either?
Originally Posted By jonvn "You assume I have no time for my family" If you are working full time, then put in 3 to 4 hours a day in of over time, and then you sleep say 8 hours, and also eat meals, then thta would give you a grand total of 2 hours max a day that you can be with them. That's without watching any TV, without doing any other activity. But you do do other activities. You are on the Internet, for example. So, it is not an assumption. "YOu also assume that I am making someone else rich with my time." Oh, so you own your own business? Very good for you. What is it? "You seem to assume alot of things in life with no basis of fact what-so-ever. You might want to work on that." I take things at face value. Like I did above. Contrarywise, you seem to enjoy engaging in childish insults in nearly every exchange I have had with you, leading me to believe you are a bit lacking in the ability to aquit yourself intelligently. You might want to work on that. "As it comes down to it, my relationship with Jayna has never been healthier." I'm sure the few minutes a day you have to spend with whomever it is you are talking about must be lovely.
Originally Posted By jonvn "you also assume that everyone has a family to spend time with." Oh, more? Let me tell you what you are assuming. You are assuming what I am thinking. And you are generally wrong when you do that. "Does that make them a bad person because they work alot too?" I didn't say anyone was a bad person. You just ASSUMED that. "Or will noone go to their gravesite either?" Let me tell you something about co-workers. They're your co-workers, and nothing more. Your family is the only thing that is important, and if you spend nearly all your time at work everyday, you're going to lose out in the end. Go rent that stupid Adam Sandler movie where he has that remote control. Maybe the profound wisdom of Mr. Sandler will be able to sway your thinking.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<If you are working full time, then put in 3 to 4 hours a day in of over time, and then you sleep say 8 hours, and also eat meals, then thta would give you a grand total of 2 hours max a day that you can be with them. That's without watching any TV, without doing any other activity. But you do do other activities. You are on the Internet, for example. >> once again, assumptions. I sleep about 5-6 hours a night. That is all I ever sleep. Jayna and I spend about 2-3 hours a day with each other each evening. The time I am at work is time I would not have spent with Jayna anyways. So that argument of yours is mute. I only watch 3 hours of tv a week on a regular basis, well 2 now that lost is off for the season. On the weekends Jayna and I spend time watching the Bucs games as she loves football as much as me. She goes with me to all my photo shoots as that is our business that we share equal responsibility in. I am on the internet during my breaks and lunch at work. Not all day as others are. <<I take things at face value. Like I did above. Contrarywise, you seem to enjoy engaging in childish insults in nearly every exchange I have had with you, leading me to believe you are a bit lacking in the ability to aquit yourself intelligently. >> it was not an insult. If you took it as so, than that is your problem. It is an observation and a suggestion. But take it as you will. <<I'm sure the few minutes a day you have to spend with whomever it is you are talking about must be lovely.>> The hours are very enjoyable. <<Oh, more? Let me tell you what you are assuming. You are assuming what I am thinking. And you are generally wrong when you do that.>> YOU said that family is more important than work and anyone who works lots of hours is neglecting their family. But you are assuming that everyone has a family to spend time with and that simply not the case. <<Let me tell you something about co-workers. They're your co-workers, and nothing more. Your family is the only thing that is important, and if you spend nearly all your time at work everyday, you're going to lose out in the end.>> Its a shame that cannot make friends with your co-workers. I have several co-workers that I hang out with on a regular basis with, including holiday time. Not all of them of course, but most everyone I work with annoys me. <<Go rent that stupid Adam Sandler movie where he has that remote control. Maybe the profound wisdom of Mr. Sandler will be able to sway your thinking.>> Never saw or heard of that one. Cant help ya there.
Originally Posted By jonvn "once again, assumptions. I sleep about 5-6 hours a night." Oh, that's good. So you are affecting your personal health, as well. "Jayna and I spend about 2-3 hours a day with each other each evening." Here is another assumption you are making: You are assuming I care about your personal life. You are incorrect in that assumption. "it was not an insult." Of course it was. And my comment that it makes you appear unintelligent is only that--another observation. See? Isn't that easy? If we can say our childish insults are only "observations" we can fling any sort of mud we want to and never have to take on the mantle of acting like a 12 year old! I'm so happy. "YOU said that family is more important than work and anyone who works lots of hours is neglecting their family." It is, and they are, and you seem to be. Given the response you are making here, and your apparent need to defend your own behavior to a complete stranger who honestly could not care less, makes me feel that you know what I'm saying is true, and that you have some need to justify your behavior to yourself by justifying it to me. I don't care. I don't care what you do. I'll give my opinion on what you do, but beyond that, any justifications you make are your own issue. I am not Dr. Phil, and if you want to talk about your problems, do it with someone else.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Oh, that's good. So you are affecting your personal health, as well.>> So your a doctor now? <<Here is another assumption you are making: You are assuming I care about your personal life. You are incorrect in that assumption.>> It was stated to counteract the blatant lie that you stated. <<It is, and they are, and you seem to be.>> Wow you have no idea of anything do you.
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Originally Posted By jonvn Actually, I've already found it on my own. I don't need to get it from this site. I didn't harrass him, and made no comments about his life, other than I don't really care. If he wants to spill his guts at me, that's his business. I'll comment on that, but I repeatedly told him I was not interested. You don't goad people into committing illegal acts. Which he has now done.
