Originally Posted By Spooky Ghost I dont think any of those are near as bad as Anakins speech about his dislike of sand in Attack of the Clones "I hate sand" My god
Originally Posted By bigthunderranch cstephens, You are forgetting one thing, the first trilogy was well thought out. The last, and this was admitted by Lucas, was mostly filler.
Originally Posted By bigthunderranch It's like telling someone to watch Temple of Doom before Raiders because it was a prequel.
Originally Posted By cstephens bigthunderranch wrote: > You are forgetting one thing, the first trilogy was well thought out. The last, and this was admitted by Lucas, was mostly filler. Even if I stipulate that (I've not seen Lucas say anything like that), what's your point? /cs
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Isn't it fun looking back at history through rose colored lenses? At the time the movies were initially released, the original Star Wars series was not rated as highly as the prequels were. <<Tomatometer Ranking of Star Wars Series Based on Critical Reaction During Original Release Dates: 83% - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 79% - Star Wars 65% - Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones 62% - Star wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace 52% - The Empire Strikes Back 31% - Return of the Jedi">> Source: <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=197859&p=2" target="_blank">http://www.rottentomatoes.com/ news/comments/?entryid=197859&p=2</a>
Originally Posted By bigthunderranch The point is that in theory it would have been great to watch the development of Darth Vader. But, in reality, the films do not live up to this. My advice, stay with the original trilogy.
Originally Posted By cstephens bigthunderranch wrote > The point is that in theory it would have been great to watch the development of Darth Vader. But, in reality, the films do not live up to this. My advice, stay with the original trilogy. That would be your opinion, which you're entitled to have. I obviously don't share your opinion, which is what I said what I said, and I did get just as much out of Anakin's development as I did Luke's. Are you trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong? /cs
Originally Posted By Shooba Whether one starts with Ep 4 or 1, I think watching Ep 3 before Ep 6 is a great idea. Knowing the backstory adds a lot more resonance to the final Emperor/Vader/Luke showdown.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Again, I thought the ENTIRE point, besides the obvious ($$$), was to make the prequels so people can start FROM the beginning? I certainly understand the arguments that the OT is better (Lets not kid ourselves, the prequels basically suck for most people minus the last one) and it loses the suspense of the OT, but Number 1: I think MOST people already know Dark Vader is Luke Skywalker's father by now. It's basically part of popular culture. I'm sure anyone who has never seen a Superman movie or comic book knows Lex Luthor is his sworn enemy or that Batman's parents were killed. This stuff is part of lore by most now. Sure, I know there will be SOME people that doesn't know that, but I doubt those people will decide to sit through 6 films this late in the game too unless they are 7 . Number 2: To watch the ending of the empire of being destroyed and all that only to see how it all started after 6 actually loses the impact of the prequels to me. The one thing about the prequels is to see the empire rise. This is done pretty well (not to well in Episode 1 ironically, but what was in that movie ). I think if you focus more on the overall story of the empire itself, it would definitely lose momentum to see it start off strong, fall, and then watch it from the beginning again. I think it adds a lot more watching it in chronological order in THAT regard at least (and then you won't be so bothered wondering why the 'Sith' keeps getting mentioned and so important after watching 3 movies that had zero mentions).
Originally Posted By cstephens WorldDisney wrote: > This stuff is part of lore by most now. Sure, I know there will be SOME people that doesn't know that I think this question would be mostly relevant to kids growing up who've never seen Star Wars on the big screen or who at least never saw 4, 5 and 6 on the big screen, not to mention the generation of children yet to be born or who are still too young to sit through a movie. They wouldn't necessarily know that Vader is Luke's father, so the decision is the parent's as far as what order to show them the films, if they choose to do that. I have a co-worker who showed his young child the original trilogy on DVD, then showed him episodes 1 and 2 on DVD before letting him see episode 3 on the big screen. Now that's being a good parent! /cs
Originally Posted By bigthunderranch cstephens wrote: <<That would be your opinion, which you're entitled to have. I obviously don't share your opinion, which is what I said what I said, and I did get just as much out of Anakin's development as I did Luke's. Are you trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong?>> Well, let me put it this way, if you were to tell me that your favorite movie of all-time was, let's say, "Showgirls", then I would have to question your opinion.
Originally Posted By cstephens bigthunderranch wrote: > Well, let me put it this way, if you were to tell me that your favorite movie of all-time was, let's say, "Showgirls", then I would have to question your opinion. You could question my taste, and you could disagree with my opinion, but my opinion still wouldn't be wrong. /cs
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Again, I thought the ENTIRE point, besides the obvious ($$$)>> Even though I liked Episodes 1 and 2 and absolutely love 3, Lucas could make a movie of himself ironing his flannel shirts and it'd make money. Actually here's an idea for a film, Lucas, Spielberg and Peter Jackson get together for a film and discuss their beards. I'm telling ya 1 billion in the US alone. ;p
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "Even though I liked Episodes 1 and 2 and absolutely love 3, Lucas could make a movie of himself ironing his flannel shirts and it'd make money." << That would probably only work if he put "Star Wars" or "Indiana Jones" in the title of the film. Outside of those two series (and his initial success with "American Grafitti"), Lucas' films generally haven't done all that well. -Jeff
Originally Posted By peeaanuut lol, that was a horrible movie. I still am blown away by how people say Episode 3 is the best, I think it was the worse of all the new films and those all rank very low on my list. But to each his own I guess.
Originally Posted By bigthunderranch Lucas' flaw is that he thinks his strength is being a director. When in fact, he should have more of a Walt Disney role, a creative force behind the director. He can initiate the world of Star Wars, be it's creator, but when it comes to the basics of filmmaking(not special effects mind you) like writing, casting, and directing, he falls very short.
Originally Posted By cstephens I do think he's a good director and can find a good cast, and he's also got a great eye for editing, but no, writing is not his strong point. One of my favorite parts of the AFI tribute was when he referred to himself as the "king of wooden dialogue", so the criticisms are definitely not lost on him. My favorite part of the AFI tribute was when Maroon 5 performed, not because I particularly like them (I don't even know them that well), but when they told the story of why that particular group was performing there, which I'd been wondering as well. The organizers had asked George who he wanted to have perform at the event, and he picked Maroon 5 because it was his three kids' favorite group. I thought that was awesome. /cs
Originally Posted By bigthunderranch Believe it or not, I'm a huge George Lucas fan. Ever since I started in Film School in the early eighties. I just think that he was on the right path when he had Irvin Kershner direct EMPIRE. In an article for Entertainment Weekly that appeared during the release of ROTS, Lucas admitted that he did not want to direct the latest trilogy. Spielberg convinced him that he should. Episode 1,2 and 3 has many problems. I can forgive the small stuff(even Jar Jar!), but it's the big ones that baffle me. Lucas needs to get rid of all the "yes" men around him and get some cold hard criticism.
