Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>The WDI guides are simply tools to use on the fanbois. No more, no less.<<< True. But it actually speaks the truth and borrows the nomenclature from the 70's and before for the terms they used. Everything was for show, not advertisement.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb The one good thing I can say about the DVC carts is these guys don't act like carnival barkers. I have never once had one hit me with the hard sale, or in fact bother me at all. Do I wish they weren't there? Yes. Do I recognize these are a profit center that is unlikely to go away soon? Also yes. I just wish they would set dress the carts to match the theme of the land or area they are in. Other merchandise carts match the area they're sitting in, why not the DVC carts? The current cart design works fine for Toontown or DTD, but that's about it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "A lil' business sense" sounds like the kinda crap preached by people like her (and you, too, evidently). -- doesn't mean you couldn't use it, which is why people like me recommend it...to people who think that's crap. If you want to recommend business solutions - sound business sense helps whether you like it or not
Originally Posted By vbdad55 The mechanics of DVC and all other setups I have seen are really quite similar the mechanics of a Yugo and a Mercedes are quite similar by your reasoning also- do you view them as similar ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 . I just wish they would set dress the carts to match the theme of the land or area they are in. Other merchandise carts match the area they're sitting in, why not the DVC carts? The current cart design works fine for Toontown or DTD, but that's about it. ------------ I absolutely agree with this-- nice post overall
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///the mechanics of a Yugo and a Mercedes are quite similar by your reasoning/// Nope, but nice try anyway. /// also- do you view them as similar ?/// I'll only comment on Mercedes Benz: those Nazi-mobiles are piles of dung.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Please don't banish barboy2 from LP./// Thanks for your support ///Even we Doom and Gloomers try not to be naughty all the time./// But I'm only a full blown 'D & Ger' concerning certain things about the parks: being avalanched with cartoon based and/or duplicated attractions DVC WDW buses WDW and Paris maintenance DCA, WD Studios Paris and HK built on the cheap closing Advent. Club shops selling out of theme merchandise But I love the Tokyo parks, EPCOT, Animal Kingdom, Dl Anaheim and Disneyland Paris. There is still so much to enjoy around the globe----yes, even at WDW---- but the reduced standards(which are most visible in Orlando) sicken me.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Barboy, my kindred, I hear you. But you know, those of us that travel around the globe to Disney resorts must really hate it...ROTFLMAO.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Sorry Dave, but sometimes listening to some of you, it really does sound like some of you do hate the place. I can't figure why you bother to go.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ It's possible to critique and expect better out of a place while still enjoying it for what it's worth, in my view. I mean, it's still DISNEY after all.
Originally Posted By Dreamerica Some people need to get out to Disneyland instead of going to Walt Disney World for the one millionth time.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo My perspective is this. I am ANGRY about what has happened to Disney, especially at WDW, while Disney has dumbed things down while hiking prices, the rest of the world has been playing catch up. And the defenders are a big part of the problem, and annoy the hell out of me (which is why I take time out occassionaly). I have written letters to Disney and left comments at city hall, and occassionally they have tried to buy my loyalty. I don't free crap, I want Disney to restore the standards they made us come to expect. I do have fun when I go, of course, but the last trip to WDW felt like such a waste of money, especially when compared to the superior Disneyland or even DLP (two places so many myopic travellers never bother with, the British ones especially annoy me). And why do these people annoy me? Because the acceptance of the poor standards just encourages more dumbing down. I still love the classics, and occassionally you bump into a cast member that gets it. Yes, it is better than some of the other alternatives (but the margins of difference is not huge anymore). But to be honest, I think I am done with WDW, I still peek occassionally in the hopes that things improve (like Disneyland did). I would like to potentially return to Orlando one day to see friends, the WWOHP, and as the kids get older, take them to Discovery cove and KSC. I return to DLP because it is close, we have a villa there and we do have fun. But to be honest, i am now more excited about going to Paris, the black Forest and the Rhineland with the kids this year. we will be trying Europa Park, Phantasialand and Eftling for the first time (well I went to Phantasialand 20 years ago). Once upon a time I would have written up a review, but as my story showed of Madame Tussauds Marvel exhibit, LPers are not interested. It is sad, after 10, nearly 11 years on LP, it just is no longer as much fun for me, just like Disney. there are a few things still to be excited about - Mystic Point in HK, I am dying to go to Tokyo, and I am looking forward to what happens in DCA for 2012. If we can get Ratatouille in Paris, that is quite interesting too.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>IMHO some people go way beyond critiquing.<<< How so, opinions vary in degree by the person.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And that should be a question. LOL. I shouldn't post before my tea....
Originally Posted By sjhym333 My feeling has always been that if you accept substandard things, you will get substandard thing. I think it is great that people go to WDW and have a great time. I do too. In fact the whole family is heading out today to do our annual Christmas stuff. However, we dont pay to get in. If we had to pay to visit WDW we probably wouldn't. I think you can be a loyal visitor and still be a vocal critic. I think it is important to stop by City Hall and tell them when expectations aren't met. Conversly, I think you should stop at City Hall when expectations are exceeded.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <Sorry Dave, but sometimes listening to some of you, it really does sound like some of you do hate the place. I can't figure why you bother to go.> Amen. <It is sad, after 10, nearly 11 years on LP, it just is no longer as much fun for me...> My sentiments exactly, but my reasons are the exact opposite of yours. The haters have taken over.
Originally Posted By mstaft As someone who only makes it to to WDW once every several years or any other park maybe once a year,I do notice some quality issues (mostly in attractions) but not normally elsewhere. I'm too busy trying to get my fill of favorites and things I've never seen. Maybe that is part of the general public's view as well. Due to my small salaried job- which I love- it is an absolute treat to stay on the property at WDW. For that reason only, All Stars are appreciated. Cannot afford on property elsewhere. I'd love to do Polnesian or Beach Club or Wilderness Lodge- or Grand Califorian, but until a rich uncle adopts me and dies, I'll be someone with not much money but much more class!
