Originally Posted By Portadisney yea bad idea, if anyone burns a Koran the Muslims will start killing innocent people. Oh yea they do that everyday already sorry my bad. Oh and yes if some jerk burns a Koran Muslims will start stoning woman for adultery, maybe even burying them up to their heads then stoning them, oh yea my bad they do that already too!
Originally Posted By Portadisney >>Where are the GOP reps in supporting Petreaus in denouncing this action? Palin, Bohner, and McCain et al.<< GOP is no better then the Dems, they both just do things to keep in power. If you want to burn a Koran go do, as long as you are not getting public funds it's not the Govs biz.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>oh yea my bad they do that already too!<< Not in New York City they don't. >>the devil is defeated by the forces of goodness and light (and arguably, religion).<< To the tune of Ave Maria. ;-)
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance "Isn't that just the silliest thing?! Disney has so many characters that use magic, and it's Harry Potter that these people have a problem with? So strange?" I have a feeling for these people they pick and choose. What they don't care for or have no interest in, they therefore say it's bad, in this case Harry Potter. But my cousin in law probably likes DL, so then it's okay and just "pretend" witches/witchcraft, so she'll let it slide. It's not so surprising when you look at all of the inconsistencies and hipocracy in religion itself.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney You're assuming all Christians are the same. We let our kids read Harry Potter, in fact as I type, Harry Potter six is on the TV in the background. Dumbledore just died. Some of us can tell the difference between real and make believe. My family and I don't worship at the feet of Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin, I can't stand either. Yet I go to church every Sunday. Don't put us all in the same boat.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Some of us can tell the difference between real and make believe." Really? Can you?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Faith is not a matter of real and make believe. You can debate it until the cows come home, but you can not prove or disprove faith. I knew I'd be called out for that statement. But you missed the meat of my comment. Oh well....
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Faith is not a matter of real and make believe*** Depends on who you're talking to, I suppose. ***You can debate it until the cows come home, but you can not prove or disprove faith*** You can not prove anything. You can disprove things, but in terms of a claim backed by zero evidence, there's nothing there to disprove. In other words, if I claimed that there is life on some distant planet and I'm *sure* of it, so long as we have no evidence about that planet I can not be "disproven", even though all I'm doing is making stuff up for which there is no evidence. My claim can be disproven, however, if/when science is sufficiently advanced to explore said planet (from afar, at least) and find that my claim has no basis. Since religion naturally claims that god exists in some unreachable, unlocatable realm, they essentially insulate themselves from the danger of being disproven by science. But that makes it no more "true" than my completely fabricated claim that I know of life on some distant planet and that I'm certain it is there. As to the "meat" of your comment, nice spoiler ya jerk! ;p
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Oh, and I believe in life on distant planets as well. Dumbledore told me they exist!
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Oh, and I believe in life on distant planets as well*** There's more logic to believing that than believing in the supernatural. At least we have evidence that life CAN exist on a planet. ***Dumbledore told me they exist! *** What does he know!? The dummy actually ordered Snape to kill him, ya know!
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Mr X you take that back! It's blasphemous to speak of Dumbledore that way!
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Since religion naturally claims that god exists in some unreachable, unlocatable realm, they("believers") essentially insulate themselves from the danger of being disproven by science./// Very interesting, very interesting indeed! If I were new here I would have assumed that you mistakenly worded the above statement. But I am not so I am not surprised at how you constructed that statement. I'd bet that 99 out of 100 around here would have just read right through that passage without noticing something most intersting about it.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm not sure what you're driving at BB (nor what I might have worded mistakenly), but it certainly *is* a very interesting thing to examine. Long ago, god or gods were much more nearby (living on some mountaintop or residing in the sky or as objects such as the sun), but as science progressed god started existing further and further away. Also interesting is the fact that so-called miracles are now relegated to the deep, unprovable past for the most part...it was a lot easier back when you could point to a shooting star or a comet and label it a "sign" or a "miracle", the gods of the past must have seemed so much more tangible when you think about it.
Originally Posted By barboy2 #194 interests me as well----I like it! But your 194 wasn't anywhere near what I was driving at. I'll wait a bit longer before I explain to see if anyone else notices what I have noticed. ((((hint: "active voice")))
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 "I always thought it was ironic that Christians, who presumably believe in the Devil and shun "evil" supernatural things, happily celebrate Halloween with their kids. Not to mention taking their families to Disneyland, which features witches, ghosts, Chernobog (the Slavic Black God), and other entertainment that are contradictory to Christian teachings." Why do you have a hard time reconciling the two. I am Christian and let my step-daughter dress as the devil for Halloween last year. It is a costume that she wore to go door to door asking for candy. It does not change my belief in Christ or mean that I am pro-Satan. As for Disney movies, and Harry Potter (which I adore) they are fictional stories about good overcoming evil. I know there are a lot of Christians that view any sort of magic as evil. I have a few of them in my family. I am not one of them. My basic belief is that Christianity should not be a religion of fear. You should not make every decision (like whether to let you kid read Harry Potter) based on a fear that if you read a book about wizards God will send you to Hell. I think it much more about trying your hardest to be a good person and being non-judgmental, compassionate, and loving to everyone around you, especially when they disagree with you. And when you mess up, and we all mess up because we are human, ask forgiveness from the people your decisions effected and then ask forgiveness from God and then continue to live your life. Reading a book or going to Disneyland are completely inconsequential in my view.
Originally Posted By Labuda User IDortadisney Date of first Discussion Board Post: September 12, 2010
Originally Posted By dshyates So I am back from my trip to "Crazyland". All I have to say is that I am now even more scared of the religious of any faith. The difference between traditional believers and extremists isn't the level of irrationality but the realization of societal acceptance.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>The difference between traditional believers and extremists isn't the level of irrationality but the realization of societal acceptance.<< Come on now. Why is it okay to lump all people who have religious faith into one category? If the same thing were done with atheists and agnostics, would it be fair?
