Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 I was just watching MSNBC and Andrea Mitchell had the mayor of Gainsville on her show. It looks like there may be an upside to this, although we should all still hope this guy comes to his senses and does not burn the Korans. Anyways, the mayor was saying that for the first time that he has seen all of the different religions with communities in Gainsville have all started working together to denounce these guys. He said the interfaith cooperation has been huge and that people who never really had much to do with each other are now banding together over this. There was another story yesterday of a church in Tennessee that has not only welcomed the Muslim group that will be building their center next door to the church but they have let the members of the Muslim Community Center use their church hall until their center is built. So maybe this could start something positive. Who knows?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt That's exactly what I was trying to say earlier Princessjenn5795. There needs to be a public discussion about this. Yes, the media has blown it out of proportion, but the anti-Muslim rhetoric and subsequent hate crimes have reached a point where we can't just ignore it or wish it away.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 I agree. I also think it is beyond time for anyone who does agree with the anti-Muslim nonsense to stand up and say so, loudly. And it is starting to happen. There are people of all faiths standing up and saying "enough". It is a good start.
Originally Posted By ecdc So word is the guy called it off and he's now meeting with the imam of the Park51 center. I did not see that coming. Interesting.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Jones says he's struck a deal with the NY mosque to move it in exchange for a stop to the Koran burning. This entire thing has been a load. <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/pastor-terry-jones-calls-off-koran-burning-ground-zero-mosque/story?id=11594495" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/US/pasto...11594495</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The ABC News article says that a deal was not brokered despite Jone's claim that one was. My head hurts.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "But as soon as Jones and al-Masri finished speaking, denials were issued that the Islamic community center and mosque would be moved away from its current controversial location. "The Muslim Community Center called Park51 in Lower Manhattan is not being moved," read a statement from SoHo Properties, the developer of the community center that is being called the Ground Zero Mosque. " They may or may not end up building the mosque there. But no way they'd move it in response to this clown.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Finally a topic most--if not all--of us can agree upon. Wanting to burn the Koran was a bad idea. Why stir up trouble when it isn't necessary? There are enough problems in the world already without putting a chip on your shoulder and then daring others to knock it off.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 when I lived in a muslim country the local folks would sometimes burn a page from their holy book and mix it into the tea.They seemed to think this had some value if one was to drink the page . The tea still seemed hot sweet and refreshing to me .
Originally Posted By mawnck An interesting twist ... >>Meanwhile, two websites associated with Jones and his church were down Thursday. Rackspace Hosting took down the two sites because the church "violated the hate speech provision of our acceptable use policy," said spokesman Dan Goodgame. The company investigated a complaint in the past couple days and made the determination after reviewing both sites, said Goodgame, adding that Rackspace was under no pressure to act. "This is not a constitutional issue. This is a contract issue," he said.<< <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/...dex.html</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck And another one ... >>Westboro Baptist Church ... has vowed to hold a Quran burning if Gainesville's Dove World Outreach Center calls its off. "WBC burned the Koran once – and if you sissy brats of Doomed america bully Terry Jones and the Dove World Outreach Center until they change their plans to burn that blasphemous tripe called the Koran, then WBC will burn it (again), to clearly show you some things," the church announced in a news release this week.<< <a href="http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t" target="_blank">http://www.ocala.com/article/2...-doesn-t</a> And ... >>In a bold move that is likely to be much discussed in coming days, Fox News said today that it will not cover the burning of the Quran on Saturday if Pastor Terry Jones follows through on his plan to burn copies of Islam's sacred book. So far, such TV news operations as CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS have told TVNewser they will cover the Quran burning as they would any other news story. Fox News is the only one so far to say it will not. "We do not cover every flag burning that happens in this country. We don't run every hostage tape," Michael Clemente, senior vice president at Fox News, said in a phone interview. "If we tried to cover everyone who wants us to stick a camera in front of them, we'd run out of cameras pretty fast each day. But this is really about just using some judgment."<< <a href="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/09/fox_news_will_not_cover_burnin.html" target="_blank">http://weblogs.baltimoresun.co...nin.html</a> Fox News FTW.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/09/mcconnell-urges-media-not_n_711163.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...163.html</a> Now Mitch McConnell is right on the money. What is going on? The apocalypse? Forgive me Jesus, Allah, Ahura Mazda, Vishnu, Xenu, Zeus, Horus, and any other lesser deities. Of course, a more cynical person would see that they saw the way the wind was blowing on this and joined the crowd, especially after the statement on how it could hurt the troops. Good thing I'm not that cynical.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal is part owner of Fox News. Of course they aren't going to televise it.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///But even if it went up tomorrow, nobody's getting killed. /// Again, there is no way you can possibly know that unless you possess some divine powers not granted to the rest of us. ///Anything premeditated like a specific violent response to the mosque opening wouldn't fly here(NY City)./// That can't fly in New York, really??? Are New Yorkers equipped with an extra peace/loving chromosome that others say in Macon, Ga or Boulder Co. lack?? OK, now *YOU* have got to kidding. FREAKS WITH A VIOLENT CAUSE CAN SURFACE ANYWHERE AROUND THE GLOBE...... yes, even in the "Big Apple". ///Second, there have been no threats of violence over the mosque opening./// I find that beyond laughable. Even if what you say about an absence of threats is true since when do freaks have to announce their plans to do damage?????? Actually, now that I think about it there is that "rule book" or formal code of honor for the would be violent extremists where they are bound by the doctrine of the "rules of violent reprisals". And those rules clearly state: **No freak or would be freak may violently seek retribution without first alerting the media or notifying authorities** Furthermore, your assumption about "no threats" doesn't account for the more spontaneous violent outbursts that may well play out which could trigger something HUGE. Here's a quick thought: Say one stops at a hot dog stand minding her own self and is thinking about her 2 pm meeting to show off her marketing plans to launch a new perfume line and some rude gal who happens to be wearing a burka bumps into her leaving mustard on her $800 outfit. Burka wearing woman doesn't apologize. "Marketing woman" then stupidly links the woman's burka to the new Islamic Center..... which in turn she links to 911 and shoves her half eaten frankfurter in the burka wearing woman's face while calling her a murderer. News gets out around the globe and now half of Indonesia wants to refuel their efforts to rid the world of infidels. I am 'tellin ya' Dabob the world can be quite unpredictable and dangerous, too, where even those who had no violent plans to begin with can say or do something that can trigger more catastrophic events. I say go ahead and exercise both freedoms if it floats their boats------ "Build it"(the Islamic center) and "Burn it"(the holy books) and whatever happens, well, happens.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Third, you may not realize that the (physical) Koran is seen quite differently by Muslims than the Bible is seen by Christians. Christians revere the text of the Bible, but not really the physical book. But Muslims consider the physical book itself to be sacred, and any desecration a serious act/// Yes, I more or less knew that. And that was a very persuasive part to your argument about the prospects of violent reprisals. I just have to pretty much scoff parts 1 and 2 of your position but part 3 made a truckload of sense.
Originally Posted By ecdc Now the "pastor" is rethinking his decision to rethink thinking about thinking that he should rethink burning the Quran. Got it?
