Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Because I invest a large amount of money going to Disney parks I expect them to invest a large amount of money on attractions that I can do other places. >> I would be willing to bet that the Disney version of the spinning mouse coaster costs at least 4-5 times the amount that any other park spends on the same attraction. By the standards of any other park, that would be considered a ludicrous amount of money to spend on a single attraction.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Going back to 1955 and pointing to the rides that were there at Disneyland is like suggesting that when the special effects in a new SciFi movie aren't up to par it's justified -- since in the old Flash Gordon serials they had toy rockets hanging from piano wire with firework sparklers flaming out the back. I've heard that same justification for the lack of rides at Disney's California Adventure. 'Did you see pictures of Disneyland when it opened and how few attractions there were?' Well, yeah, but the park was lacking drinking fountains too.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Miceage did a nice story on the Crush Coaster. WARNING -- THERE ARE SPOILERS <a href="http://www.miceage.com/guest/gu060307a.htm" target="_blank">http://www.miceage.com/guest/g u060307a.htm</a>
Originally Posted By dshyates I just went here: <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig3306.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig3306.htm</a> To check out Crush, it looks well done. Hopefully a slightly different track layout and different show building and it will have its own personallity. The matterhorn and FLs space have remarkably similar track layouts.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Going back to 1955 and pointing to the rides that were there at Disneyland is like suggesting that when the special effects in a new SciFi movie aren't up to par it's justified -- >> It's not just going back to 1955 -- these rides are still there and popular over 50 years later. Other rides that were there in the 50's (Phantom Boats, Mine Train, etc.) didn't stand the test of time. The point is that it has nothing to do with being off the shelf, not off the shelf, amount of money in the budget, etc. and everything to do with the amount of creativity applied to the project.
Originally Posted By danyoung >If its a spinning coaster, why not a "Love Bug" theme, complete with an AA Lindsay Lohan behind the wheel? < I just wanted to point out the fact that AA in this instance could have multiple meanings. Struck me as funny, anyway . . .
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 A few things ... yes, this will be indoors. Right next door to Toy Story Mania. Also, it's not who builds the ride system or track that's key, it's what Disney does with it to sell a story and create an immersive environment. And understand this isn't supposed to be a 'major' addition. It's a quality C-Ticket all the way ... no more, no less.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 finally life to that street however -- except for the meet and greet with Jedi Mickey during SWW's -- really slow after WWTBAM closed
Originally Posted By brotherdave I've ridden a version of the Maurer-Sohne spinning coaster in a park called Waldameer in Erie, PA that is used on the Crush Coaster at WDSP and is reportedly going in at DHS. It is a very fun ride. It gives a much different ride sensation than Primeval Whirl, even though both spin. Primeval Whirl is best described as a 'teacup' on a wild mouse track. These other coasters, although they spin, don't have the same spinning intensity as Primeval Whirl (known generically as a Crazy Mouse). The cars give riders more of a directional change feeling than downright fast spinning. The tight, perpendicular horseshoe curve on those rides are awesome. They give a weird sensation like I've never felt on coasters before, and every ride is different due to the spinning nature of the cars. Although I haven't ridden the Crush Coaster in Paris, from what I've heard and read, it's quite a fun, FAMILY-type experience. Something Uncle Walt would be happy about. If the theming is done as well as I'm hoping, this could be one stand out 'C-Ticket' experience, possibly pushing 'D'. I'm hoping that the theming goes through the entire ride as opposed to a dark building while you spin. Enclosed 'sewer tunnels' around the track might give it more of an 'out-of-control' experience. As long as they theme it to the hilt, it should be a great addition for the park!!!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA The write up of 'Crush' on Miceage makes it look like fun. And when rides like Crush are installed next to Toy Story a la Fantasyland, it makes for an enjoyable series of rides.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Good comparison, Jim. I'm guessing "Pixar Studios" will become the "Fantasyland" of the park. With more Pixar themed attractions coming, it will certainly help the theme of that area. Still, Mickey Avenue always felt narrow and, well, more like a back alley as opposed to a main right of way due to the large soundstage buildings. I'm sure this feeling won't go away, even with the Pixar makeover. Still, it has to be an improvement over the bland beige buildings that you walked past.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I was hoping this ratatouille ride has an outdoor portion to like Crush and disneyland's alice in wonderland ride.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: As a side note to all of this, my sisters and I were recently shocked by a cast member during a recent visit to Disney M-G-M. There we all were, standing outside the building where they're installing the Toy Story Mania attraction, while making small talk with a young female cast member. ORGOCH: Just ta test the young thing out, we went 'n asked her what was goin' on inside the buildin' across the way. ORWEN: She just looked at us with a confused expression and shrugged her shoulders. Then she said, "I don't know." ORDDU: One would think that, by now, all the cast members at this particular park would know exactly what attraction is being built inside the former Who Wants to be a Millionare building--especially if they happened to be working at an outdoor vending cart right across from it!!!
Originally Posted By danyoung Why oh why do we expect the average Disney employee to know everything about everything? Sure, we like the mythos of the CM who knows all, has the inside scoop on everything, knows when the 3 o'clock parade starts, etc. Sometimes a CM is just a kid who went through a few days of training and now is selling cokes on the street. Why should this poor newbie automatically know all about everything around her? WE'RE the park fanatics, not necessarily the CM's. With the invention of the Internet, I fully believe that we all are far more knowledgeable than the average employee. And sorry, strange person who thinks he's 3 witches, but it's kinda elitist to expect that level of knowledge out of a rookie.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA You know, danyoung, there was a time in the not-so-distant past that cast members were knowledgable of things in the park. It's not as if The Witches were asking a Cast Member at Disney-MGM Studios about the hours of a restaurant at the Contemporary. They were talking about a building, under construction DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CAST MEMBER. At one time, the Cast Member might have said 'I don't know, but I can find out.' Shrugging shoulders and saying 'I don't know' isn't really acceptable, sorry. <And sorry, strange person who thinks he's 3 witches> Sense of humor much? Crab.
Originally Posted By danyoung Hey, everyone has his moments of crabbiness. Post # 56 was one of mine. I try to keep 'em few and far between. I still stand on my general point, although the answer of "I don't know, but let me find out" is more acceptable. But I really do think we all know much more than the average cast member, and many are quick to jump on them when they don't know something.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^I think it speaks more to how Disney is currently training their front line Cast Members, rather than a personal attack on that individual person working an ODV cart. There was a time when shrugging and saying 'I don't know' was simply unacceptable. Today, we're rushing to the defense of a Cast Member because 'we're Disney Fan Nerds and know more.' <Hey, everyone has his moments of crabbiness.> I wouldn't know.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << ^^I think it speaks more to how Disney is currently training their front line Cast Members, rather than a personal attack on that individual person working an ODV cart. >> It also speaks to the fact that it's a lot harder to find 50,000+ cast members who are really interested in Disney than it was to find less than 10,000 25 years ago. It's hard to find talent, even at the entry level. Of course, if Disney were willing to not enforce the "Disney Look," they might widen their options and be able to find better staff. After all, if I've got 30 pierciengs and pink hair, I can't work for Disney but I can still pour coffee at Starbucks.
