Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<The people who are volunteering just to get a free day at Disneyland are going to be so unproductive that it won't really matter in the grand scheme of things.>> That's a ridiculous assertion. There are people that have integrity in this world and won't just use this as a scam to get free ticket. So nice to see that some people have zero faith in humanity.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I don't doubt that their intentions will be sound, I just don't think when you're "volunteering" for a prize, you are going to be much help. I hope I am wrong. However, you can really be charitable by not participating in this promotion and volunteering anyway.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 When I volunteer my Spirited time, I expect nothing in return but a feeling in my gut that I did something good. That said, I see nothing wrong with Disney 'using' volunteerism to help their bottom line and toss some free tix out (and tix cost Disney nothing, even if the MBAs would disagree ... you can give them out like confetti, especially if it encourages spending) ... to me, it's a win-win-win situation. No, it's nothing to get psyched about. Heck, I don't believe it's worthy of five pages (and counting of posts), but I don't see why anyone would knock Disney for this either.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Most of the responses have been based on what was expressed it the opening post -- "we get nothing". The promotion in itself is fine for what it is, and I hope as retlawfan said that once people see the true reward for volunteering it will be something they do in the future. That would be a great outcome.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<I just don't think when you're "volunteering" for a prize, you are going to be much help.>> Ridiculous assertion. If you're volunteering because you want to get that "good feeling in your gut" that Spirit mentioned, does that mean you're not going to be much help either? Even though it isn't tangible, you're still technically volunteering for a "prize."
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Ridiculous assertion. If you're volunteering because you want to get that "good feeling in your gut" that Spirit mentioned, does that mean you're not going to be much help either? Even though it isn't tangible, you're still technically volunteering for a "prize." << Exactly, everyone volunteers for a reason that is beneficial to themselves... In this case people are going to volunteer for something tangible, but volunteering so you feel better about yourself is something beneficial for yourself too...
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan That good feeling in your gut has no monetary value. It's a very different incentive than getting a prize. Obviously, if everyone was motivated by that good feeling, there would be plenty of volunteers. Some people need to get tangible stuff to volunteer. That doesn't mean their help will be useless. But there's no denying that someone with a fire in their belly, passionate about a cause is going to likely go above and beyond in a way someone just punching the clock is not. Hopefully, the lure gets people in and once there, it opens their eyes to thinking about helping others as a reward in itself, causing them to volunteer again and again even without a prize promotion.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<Hopefully, the lure gets people in and once there, it opens their eyes to thinking about helping others as a reward in itself, causing them to volunteer again and again even without a prize promotion.>> And that's one of the best things about the promotion. It's hard to see why people would have a problem with this. Of course there will be people who will try to do this to scam a free ticket while doing little or nothing, but there are also people who maybe never thought to volunteer before for whom this will be the first step towards many hours and years or service over a lifetime. And what about those people who have tirelessly volunteered in the past with no expectation of reward or recognition? This will be a very small reward for all the times that they've given selflessly of themselves.
Originally Posted By Hista98 I'm also curious about volenteer opurtunities. it sounds like the volentering wil lbe for preapproved things. what if that thing doesn't exist near someones home. then they can't get a ticket? where last year all they needed was a birthday!
Originally Posted By wahooskipper It is threads like these where Disney fanatics earn the labels given them from other communities. Disney promotes something that costs noone nothing and urges community volunteerism and it is belittled here. That is something. In 1992 I was on my way to Florida to work on the Disney College Program when Hurricane Andrew struck South Florida. My family was about 45 minutes north of the brunt of the storm. Driving to Florida I followed convoys of trucks, electrical companies, police/fire, etc. When I got to Orlando one of the first things I noticed was trucks from Disneyworld headed south. When I inquired as to where those trucks were going I was told they were full of supplies headed south to help hurricane victims. Was it good PR? Sure, there is no denying that. But, it was also the right thing to do. This is a good idea...and it makes the company look good too. I don't have a problem with that.
Originally Posted By MinnieSummer For those very few posters who are looking at this in a positive light -- congrats. You get that volunteering is the right thing to do and anything that can be done to encourage it is a great thing. For the rest of you, I'm truly sorry for you but not surprised that such negativity appears on this site, one of the most negative disney fans sites -- I'm not sure why I still visit it except that I do like SOME of the posters here. I'm an APer and I go to WDW often enough that even the fast pass "reward" doesn't mean much to me. However, when I read that my free ticket will be given to someone else, who might not get to go to a Disney park, I was excited. It will also mean a day where my daughter and I can spend time together benefitting our community. Great idea Disney -- get people involved. And for the nay sayers, as I said, I truly feel sorry for you.
Originally Posted By Ursula <Everybody volunteers for something... Nobody does it for nothing... Whether it is to feel "good" about themselves, or because it will look good on their resume... or because it will "enhance" their chances to get into heaven. You are fooling yourself if you think there are people out there who volunteer out of the good of their own heart expecting nothing back in return...> I kindly disagree with you on this.
Originally Posted By Ursula <<I just don't think when you're "volunteering" for a prize, you are going to be much help.>> I agree, totally based on what I saw at the D23 event. Look, I'm not complaining to complain, but it really riles me up when greed is involved/masked in doing good works. Please, re-read the first post. The only thing asked is what is in it for me, to paraphrase. I DO hope this catches like a house on fire. I DO want people to discover that donating their time and efforts IS the reward. I'd love to see the results when the free tickets portion expires and how many people actually do continue on a path of community service they otherwise were not on.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 <Everybody volunteers for something... Nobody does it for nothing... Whether it is to feel "good" about themselves, or because it will look good on their resume... or because it will "enhance" their chances to get into heaven. You are fooling yourself if you think there are people out there who volunteer out of the good of their own heart expecting nothing back in return...> I kindly disagree with you on this. << So people donate their time and money to churches out of the good of their heart or is it because they want to get into heaven?
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<I agree, totally based on what I saw at the D23 event.>> Ok, what did you see?
Originally Posted By Ursula <So people donate their time and money to churches out of the good of their heart or is it because they want to get into heaven?> I don't know as I can't speak for them, but I'm leaning towards "good of their heart." I'm an agnostic so I can tell you *I* don't do it to get into heaven. I want to help my fellow man.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I don't know as I can't speak for them, but I'm leaning towards "good of their heart." I'm an agnostic so I can tell you *I* don't do it to get into heaven. I want to help my fellow man.<< So you don't get a warm feeling in your heart when you are thanked for helping someone? Or you don't feel proud of yourself after accomplishing something for charity?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So people donate their time and money to churches out of the good of their heart or is it because they want to get into heaven?<< Some people can actually be selfless, wanting to leave the world a little better off for their having been here. Of course, anyone who volunteers for a cause quickly discovers that their help is valuable and appreciated, and that is a reward. It does make a person feel better about themselves to give their time and talents to a worthy cause. But read the opening post again. That sort of thing happened with the birthday promotion, APers feeling like they were going to somehow "lose out" on free stuff. That attitude sucks. And that's what some of us are reacting to.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I volunteer myself, and I do it because I enjoy helping out. Of course the fact that it also reflects on my annual written performance reviews helps as well. But I can guarantee you maybe 98% or more of those who volunteer do so for a reason that is self serving.... Very few times do people volunteer their time without expecting something in return, even if it's only recognition, a handshake or a thanks...
