Originally Posted By Labuda Nice, Trump has accomplished a lot - he's filed for bankruptcy FOUR times - one personal, the other three business-related. <a href="http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-many-times-has-donald-trump-filed-bankruptcy.html" target="_blank">http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-...tcy.html</a>
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>^^^ stop throwing stones from across the pond. This is an American argument. <<< I am an American...
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >stop throwing stones from across the pond. This is an American argument.< Isn't that cute he doesn't understand World Politics.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo True Longhorn, the worsening of global security during Bush Jr's reign had profound impacts across the globe.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Lots of people file for bankruptcy Labuda. Life isn't about falling down. It's about getting back up.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >It's about getting back up< you forgot the rest of that phrase "and getting a TV show/Movie made about it."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder It's just such a sad state of affairs anymore when absolute buffoons like Trump are take seriously in the political world.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I'm not taking him seriously in the political world, and I certainly don't look at him as a hero. But you cannot discount his success. I'm not sure at what point in American history we deemed that sucess was something you should feel guilty about.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I question if he really could be considered "successful", frankly. If what he seemingly repesents to most people is successful, I don't want it.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I just question his "out of the gate" political issue is Obama's birth certificate? Really, is that the thing to focus on as your issue? I think he's just an attention seeker at this point, and doesn't really care what he says, and I doubt he believes it either.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I think Trump has less morals ans ethics than many people I've arrested over the years, and I've met more people who were behind on their child support who had better intentions than him as well.
Originally Posted By queenbee <<I'm not sure at what point in American history we deemed that sucess was something you should feel guilty about.>> I don't see too many exceptionally weathly people feeling any guilt. It reminds me of a a man I worked for, years ago whose obituary appeared recently in the paper. This man owned apartment buildings by the ocean, commerical office space in the Silcon Valley and was the founder of the family business,a seafood wholesaler. He was decribed to me by his son as "having more money than he could ever spend." One day the payroll person came to me quite distressed. She said he had told her to deduct the factory workers 30 minute lunch from any overtime pay accumulated during the pay period. Well, she knew this was against the law but he refused to listen. The company stopped this practice years later when someone reported them. The workers made $8 - $14/hour, no benefits. In other words, this was not a lot of money to the company which was very profitable. However, he would give the factory workers advances on their next paycheck if they couldn't make the rent or buy food. Maybe that's the guilt you're referring to? Other than these short term loan which they had to pay back in full, I never saw him feel guilty in the least. He was definately successfull but I would argue his excessive greed is ultimately bad for capitalism. He was a hoarder of resources. He could not spend it all, in fact he probably spent a very small percentage of his income every year. This is not good for capitalism. The wealthy do not create enough demmand by themselves to sustain the economy. In the interest of capitalism, he should have shared more. Why? Because the factory workers spend every penny the have. They had to, to survive. This creates demmand and improves the velocity of money, all good things for capialtism. Greed may be good, but excessive greed is really, really, bad.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm not sure at what point in American history we deemed that sucess was something you should feel guilty about.<< If all that matters is winning, and not how one plays the game, then Trump's success is laudable. But look back at how he's done it.
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn ""I am an American"" Oh, my apologies! I didn't know. Please continue.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer No one says that you should feel guilty for being successful. They do say that you should feel guilty for stepping on people on the way to your success. Success needs to be measured by what you do with your power and wealth, not by how much you have.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Oh, and I am really looking forward to the GOP debates. It's going to be the best entertainment of 2012.
Originally Posted By Donny I love it.You can't argue his policies so you have to tear down the man.The problem is you have to redefine success in order to tear him down.
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn There is no difference between conveniently "forgetting" to report a few hundred thousand bucks on your tax return, and casually "borrowing" a pack of post-it notes from your place of employment. The idea that "his sin is much larger and greater than mine" is very comfortable, but not really logical. Wrong is wrong. Someone smarter than I am please clarify where I am trying to go here. I cannot bring it home the way I would like. (And if you disagree, that's fine too. Take me to school.)
Originally Posted By TomSawyer What policies, Donny? All I've heard him say is that the current GOP long term budget plan is a bad idea and that Obama wasn't born in the US. Do you have a link to anything that shows his policies?
