Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Way to early. I eat dinner then! 10:30 at the earliesst makes seems to me.... Like Disney used to have. >> Nah. That's just not needed in non-peak season. Summer? Sure. But fall, the majority of winter, and spring don't need that.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<No, it's called being an EPCOT fan. Yor tastes and sensibilities in themed attractions are improving. Welcome to the dark side. It's not such a terrible thing.>> Improving? Bah! It's always been one of my favorites.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Do you blame the average guest who shows up at Le Cellier at 5:30 pm and wants dinner for not knowing he had to book said dinner 180 days in advance? or do you blame WDW for making it impossible to eat there without 180 day advance reservations? >> I forgot to mention the ridiculousness of the dining at WDW in my first post. The fact that I can't show up to a sit down restaurant on a random, off-peak day and get a table is lunacy. <<So that if WDW decides to not have F!, LMA and 2 of the 4 big rides closed I don't have a reason to complain because that "subject to change without notice?">> Within reason, I think people aren't owed every single ride to be open. but that scenario you put there would be ridiculous.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Improving? Bah! It's always been one of my favorites.<< Denial won't help you. >>>Nah. That's just not needed in non-peak season. Summer? Sure. But fall, the majority of winter, and spring don't need that.>>> Agreed, shoulda specified.
Originally Posted By Indigo Because of that disclaimer "subject to change", it's hard to say that Disney owes you anything beyond admission to the park. But they are obligated to try and exceed guest expectations, if just to ensure repeat business.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 This is a GREAT thread. I really want to add my two-cents worth, but am exhausted. It is interesting how so many responses come down to the basics. The things Disney used to always nail! ~Tomorrow!~
Originally Posted By danyoung >Do you blame the average guest who shows up at Le Cellier at 5:30 pm and wants dinner for not knowing he had to book said dinner 180 days in advance? or do you blame WDW for making it impossible to eat there without 180 day advance reservations?< I don't "blame" either one. It's unfortunate, but it's just a fact of the situation, one that needs to be learned if one is to be successful on a Disney vacation. Maybe that first trip you'll be eating a lot of fast food, but I'm betting that next time those ADR's get made pronto!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Because of that disclaimer "subject to change", it's hard to say that Disney owes you anything beyond admission to the park. But they are obligated to try and exceed guest expectations, if just to ensure repeat business.<<< If one thing is subject to change, I feel that they should compensate with something else.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Oh for the good old days when you could show up at the Castle first thing in the AM and book a meal for later that day. Seriously, why does it have to be 180 days? Why can't they say 30 days? Would that be more fair for people who book late or for locals? We did plan which day to go to MGM based on Fantasmic this trip. The 9PM show was rained out, so we shopped until the 10:30, and it went on ok with just a few minutes of drizzle.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I don't "blame" either one. It's unfortunate, but it's just a fact of the situation, one that needs to be learned if one is to be successful on a Disney vacation. Maybe that first trip you'll be eating a lot of fast food, but I'm betting that next time those ADR's get made pronto!>> Sorry, I can't agree. Disney basically made it impossible to get a table on the same day with the Dining Plan.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Oh for the good old days when you could show up at the Castle first thing in the AM and book a meal for later that day.<<< And back in the day when the food in the castle was actually good!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And back in the day when the food in the castle was actually good! >> Uhhh...you ever eaten there? The food in the castle is still amazing. Overpriced, but very, very good.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Uhhh...you ever eaten there? The food in the castle is still amazing. Overpriced, but very, very good<<< Seriously? Everything we had was very, very salty.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Maybe it's worth a trip back by now, but I'd honestly try new places.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Not many places to try in MK, haha. Although I think I'm going to hit up Plaza in December/January. Haven't been there in a long time.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Disney basically made it impossible to get a table on the same day with the Dining Plan.< I agree, and I don't like it. I remember back when you went into Epcot in the morning, stopped off at the kiosk and spoke via video with a live CM who took your dining reservation for that night. I really loved it and miss it, but I'm willing to work with the current situation. I do think 90 days out is much better than 180, but that's not my decision.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I forgot to mention the ridiculousness of the dining at WDW in my first post. The fact that I can't show up to a sit down restaurant on a random, off-peak day and get a table is lunacy. can you do this in your city for 'special' restaurants which WDW's certainly qualify as since they are limited in number for that location ? I know I can't. If there are 20,000 people in the park on a non-peak day how many sit down restaurants seats exist ? Are you willing to wait 2-3 hours for a seat ? I know I'm not. unfortunately some reestaurants have more demand than supply...if it is completely full when you get there that day, those people are there for that reason. Now I understand maybe keeping a small% of total seating available for locals/walk ups - but because someone can plan 180 days ahead - and commits, and whatever 5 Disneyknows shows up of thoe ressies, they can plan also revenue for those days. Again, business plan/model.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<And back in the day when the food in the castle was actually good! >> Uhhh...you ever eaten there? The food in the castle is still amazing. Overpriced, but very, very good. -- agreed- the food is very good - overpriced ( as are all character encounters) but good
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer It wasn't good in 2007... Maybe it needs a retry. Summer 2011? :-D
