Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I suppose AP whining is what killed the AP parties.<< Almost certainly the cae. Specifically, the enormously over-the-top reaction to Light Magic, followed by the mass refund by overnight mail. That was the LAST AP party ever. Interestingly, a few years later, when pin trading was at its height, cast lanyards briefly sprouted pins for an AP "small world Holiday Party," a party that was never held. So one had been planned, anyway. As to the EP being held over, I agree that it was a poor decision. The event was billed as THE farewell. Held-over-by-popular-demand, as we all know, really meant held-over-so-we-can-hawk-souvenirs-for-another-two-weeks. The profit from the souvenirs probably didn't add up to the loss of goodwill, which was manifested the next year in that raucus reaction to Light Magic. Seems during the Pressler era they just couldn't see the forest for the money.
Originally Posted By avimagine Blame the short travel on new laptops (chiclet keys a la Vaio) or the Apple Aluminum keyboard! Grrr Apple bring back the Keyboard pro! It's never your falt Dland grr falt = fault I can recite safety spiels (well the part before Spanish at least).
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb We didn't go to the AP parties for either EP or Light Magic even though we had APs at the time. But we were there for an early general public performance of LM and I remember being completely let down by it. It was very sad loosing MSEP parade for that mess. But we did joke quite a lot about the parade that was leaving but wouldn't go away. Back on topic, I'm guilty of HM spieling, but quietly so only my son can hear it.
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl Half a lifetime ago, when I was at DL for Grad Nite (Fountain Valley High School, Class of 1980), there was a group of guys in the same boat, singing lyrics that Xavier Atencio had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with: lines about how they "rape the women and kill the men," and so forth.
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl Actually, I enjoyed LM. It had LOTS AND LOTS of problems, many of which were the result of poor choices where to put the viewing areas, and the overuse of bleeding-edge technology, and the simple fact that it was over-hyped, but I've seen far worse.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "HM has become a Rocky horror thing now." Clearly a sign that the ride and spiel needs to be changed up drastically.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Almost certainly the cae. Specifically, the enormously over-the-top reaction to Light Magic, followed by the mass refund by overnight mail. That was the LAST AP party ever." That's what I figure. I was there, and while LM was very disappointing, the rest of the party was terrific. Shame the entitled passholders killed it for the rest of us.
Originally Posted By phruby Personally I like to receite the entire Jungle Crusie speil a little ahead of the skipper. It really unnerves them.
Originally Posted By SFH As someone who has been both an AP and a CM, I also know that there are those APs who make the place a BETTER experience for other guests through any number of ways. These people don't distract from the show. They may "play along" instead. They are also quick to help people who are obviously lost, confused, or having some sort of trouble. They chat up other guests and give them good tips on making their vacation better. If they sit down early for a parade or show, they often save a couple of extra spaces to give away to "once in a lifetime" type guests. They also tend to be the kind that make things better for the CMs, too. Yes, the CMs are paid to be there and work is not necessarily supposed to be a party, but these kinds of APs will stop by for short, fun chats with CMs who come to know them, never blocking access to that CM for other guests. So, there are some APs who actually improve the experience for others.
Originally Posted By avimagine Again like most things you get the two extreme groups that stick out (Very Good and Very Bad), there is probably a high percentage of APers as well that act just like a semi-regular park guest that you couldn't tell from a normal ticket entrance to I'd wager.
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl I would like to think that during my quarter-century as a passholder, I was in the category that "SFH" described. I certainly TRIED to fall into that category, or at least in the "middle category" that "avimagine" described.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I dont think that guests should ever receit any speils or talk during a ride. I have been on POTC where a family who had never been to DL was stuck on the same boat with us and two girls talking about everyday life. There are new guests daily, so please be polite and dont ruin it for them.
Originally Posted By avimagine ^^ For some it's literally going to be their only ride on that boat in their lifetime.
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne As someone who has only made it to DL for 4 trips and has no idea if or when I will get there again, I have to say there are far more AP's who made my experiences better than there were those who ruined part of it.. People like SFH described have helped me on every single trip, some from LPbut others I met by chance.. They have given me goodviewing for parades, recommended shows and just generally shared their advice and knowledge of the parks.. I love meeting AP's because everyone I have met I've had a positive experience with.. I dont think I have ever gone on HM, normal times or Holidays, that I haven't heard at least one person reciting the spiel but it never bothered me.. Just made me jealous I haven't been enough times to know it that well!!
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl Even though I'm no longer a passholder, I have been mistaken for a CM (even though I'm not wearing a badge), presumably because you don't see a lot of guests in short-sleeved dress shirts and Haggar Expand-O-Matics. If I'm just being asked directions, I can usually point them in the right direction; otherwise, I explain (with VERY GENTLE sarcasm) that they'd be better off asking someone who actually works there, point out how they can recognize CMs, and refer them to the nearest CM.
Originally Posted By WDWdreamin I once ruined all the skipper's jokes as a teenager, and I do feel bad about it. I have seen POTC and HM and IASW ruined, at least partially, for first-timers. I think that it is rude.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Part of the problem is the refusal of Disney to institute a "silence is golden" rule. These are, after all, themed experiences that play out much like a motion picture, at least that's the theory. They should be treated as such. Thrill rides elicit screams and that's about as far as it should go. Excessive screaming should be discouraged. A good example are teenage girls who scream non-stop through an entire ride. And if Disney ever did institute such a rule, it would never be enforced. Imagine an annual passholder being thrown out for the day because they got caught reciting the Haunted Mansion spiel. Guess what? They'll never do it again.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "And if Disney ever did institute such a rule, it would never be enforced. Imagine an annual passholder being thrown out for the day because they got caught reciting the Haunted Mansion spiel. Guess what? They'll never do it again." I think it would all depend on how it's enforced. Flash photography isn't permitted inside attractions, yet people do it on occasion. However, since the rule is published it probably prevents it from happening as much as it would if it were not. To me there is no difference in experiencing a Disney attraction and going to the movies - silence your cell phone and keep unnecessary banter to a minimum. If you've been to the Haunted Mansion so many times that you know the spiel word for word and feel compelled to recite it loudly inside the attraction then perhaps it's time for you to find a new activity. Seriously.
