Originally Posted By jonvn If some locales actually have shortened the amount of time a yellow light is displayed lower than the legal amount, it would be extremely easy to fight a red light ticket then. You go there with a video camera and timer, record the length of the yellow light, produce the law that states that it is too fast in violation of the law. You could even sue the city, for creating a hazardous situation.
Originally Posted By jonvn WE have those digitized speed signs not just on wheels, but actually permanently placed at some locations throughout the city. And they really work. People don't realize the speed they are going, and when they see that, they slow down.
Originally Posted By thenurmis Yes honsetly rear ender have increased, as people are more aware of the redlight cameras, they do stop short, and the guy ( or girl) behind dosn't always do the same. Still the crashes avoided out numbers the crashes caused by a large amount, so it's a good thing. As far as the web stories about cities and towns adjusting the yellow light times, to drive more tickits, most are pushed way out of context, and I would question how many really happen. The cameras make enough money running straight, they don't need to be tweeked . And know my ha ha was not aimed at any one spec. just the people who try and blame their booboo's on some one elce.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Does anyone have the digitized speed limit stands where they live? It's basically a contraption on two wheels and of course it shows how fast your're driving. But when they're up there's never any cops around. However it never fails as soon as people see that thing people just hit the breaks, it's really quite comical.<< They have one of those things permanently installed at end of the Hill Street exit (which dumps right onto Hill St.) of the 110 South here in LA.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle <<< I think red light cameras are a good idea - I was in a car accident when I stopped at a red light and the truck behind me, well, didn't. >>> >>Actually, the statistics show that red light cameras actually INCREASE the type of accident you describe, so if that's your concern, you'd actually be against them<< How / why do they increase the likelihood? Surely if the truck driver knew there was a red light camera there, he'd be *more* likely rather than *less* likely to stop? I'm guessing you're saying that I (being the car in front) am more likely to stop early than if there was no red light camera, and the car behind would keep going - but I didn't stop on an amber, I stopped on a red so I don't see how it would increase THAT sort of accident.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< How / why do they increase the likelihood? Surely if the truck driver knew there was a red light camera there, he'd be *more* likely rather than *less* likely to stop? I'm guessing you're saying that I (being the car in front) am more likely to stop early than if there was no red light camera, and the car behind would keep going - but I didn't stop on an amber, I stopped on a red so I don't see how it would increase THAT sort of accident. >>> It increases it because even though you may always stop on red, many others don't, and those people may assume that the people in front of them will also go through. Also, there are some people that will slam on their brakes in a drastic fashion as soon as they see a yellow, no matter how fast they are going.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut worked odd and than i refreshed and it is working now. In regards to traffic laws in general, most of are ridiculous at best. The govt is trying to compensate for their lack of ability to make people better drives by punishing those that actually have the skill to pilot a vehicle. Tougher licensing restrictions and enforcement will save lives, not some mediocre number on a piece of tin. Case in point, 50mph or 25mph wont help the kid that you dont see on the bike because your on the cellphone. Train drivers better and enforce it. Mandatory annual testing, mandatory defensive driving and extended car control classes will save lives above and beyond any speed limit. 60hours of professional, I repeat professional, training for teenagers should be mandatory. Also vehicle restrictions based on your driving level. License A: front wheel drive under 150hp. License B: front or rear wheel drive under 250hp, etc etc. Mandatory vehicle safety inspections annually at the cost of the vehicle owner would prevent many unsafe vehicles from being on the road. Oh I could go on and on.
Originally Posted By jonvn I actually have a class A commercial license, including the ability to drive passenger busses of any size, double and triple trailers, tankers and hazardouse materials. Red light cameras do a bit in stopping red light runners, which has been a big problem in SF. It also increases rear end accidents, when people slam on their brakes to stop from going through a light, and the people behind don't react in time. I saw one of those just the other day. Mostly, traffic tickets are just a way to get money. No one drives perfectly, and on average people violate some section of the vehicle code every few seconds. It's just the luck of the draw and trying to fit into the herd so you don't stand out.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Red light cameras do a bit in stopping red light runners, which has been a big problem in SF. It also increases rear end accidents, when people slam on their brakes to stop from going through a light, and the people behind don't react in time.>> same effect happens when people see a CHP on the side of the freeway. Slam on the breaks and cause a pile-up. That just bugs the heck out of me.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And if people wouldn't drive like a-holes in the first place none of this would be a problem.
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Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<People in general drive fine.>> No they don't. They turn the wheel and press the pedals and get to their destination possibly successfully. That is far from good or even acceptable driving. that is steering with a little bit of luck at best.
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Originally Posted By jonvn I'm not sure why my post was deleted, but I was saying that people in general drive fine. You have to realize how many millions of trips are made each and every day, and how many millions of people are driving them, and it is for the most part acceptable.
